Sink Qi into Dantian

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Re: Sink Qi into Dantian

Postby Quigga on Thu Aug 20, 2020 12:58 pm

everything wrote:It is what it says, literally. As the "classics" say, you should do this first. "Neigong" - the "nei" part comes from "neidan" for non-martial purposes. A lot (most?) of people interested in martial arts will tend to forget that or never know, so make up a shit ton of physical things (all good things for what they are) and misinterpret that "sink qi to dantian" is some kind of linguistic expression of that, and then they are caught up in language questions as well. Overly complicated and red herrings. It is what it says.


Before you can really sink Qi into Dantian, you need to calm and clean your Heart, otherwise it will stay turbulent...
No need to differentiate Neidan from martial arts, martial arts become Nei Dan if sufficiently practiced and understood. Why would you leave out cultivation of liver, eyes, nails, fascia, killing? The eyes follow the Yang hand... Eyes, force, claws are connected.

Where do you see red herrings?
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Re: Sink Qi into Dantian

Postby Quigga on Thu Aug 20, 2020 1:09 pm

greytowhite wrote:Yeah you have to be able to turn the light of awareness around and downward to even think about mixing heaven and earth. Easier to do it seated, then standing, then moving. A lot of the early neigong stuff is just so your seated meditations are less painful.


Turning the light around and letting it stabilize like the Golden Flower Classic says... Very easy, just takes practice...

People identify with the light coming from their eyes, thinking that seeing is an active process on their part. A beam coming from the eye. But actually, the Sun shines on Earth, light gets reflected and enters our eyes, then we create reality inside our heads... Here lies the potential for conflict. If 'my' beam of eye light presses against the Sun's light, there is friction and clouding of the world's needs. That's why you need to let go of your Self, forget your Self, so that there is no tension against the light stablizing in Lower Dantian, i.e. Calm Heart, Cleanse Heart, Sink Qi. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Then, actively being guided by this light in every moment, without resisting at all... That's hard for me.

What seated meditations that build on this do you have in mind?
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Re: Sink Qi into Dantian

Postby Quigga on Thu Aug 20, 2020 1:16 pm

charles wrote:
everything wrote:Just do it.


Pretty much.

One learns by doing: it is experiential. One can be guided by an experienced teacher, which ought to help one get there sooner than later, but, in the end, one just has to do it. Understanding of it comes from the doing. Excessive discussion of it often ends up sounding like bad fortune cookies.


Define what excessive discussion is. This one, right ;D I wonder why so many classics were written when just doing it is enough...

Chinese people like to put a lot of meaning into few words. The challenge is to unpack them correctly, plus talking in another language. What's your understanding? Why would one want to Sink Qi in the first place?
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Re: Sink Qi into Dantian

Postby Quigga on Thu Aug 20, 2020 1:27 pm

DeusTrismegistus wrote:Qi follows Yi. So this simply means that the awareness or intent must be within the body at the Dantien or center of balance. Qi also means air, so the breath should be abdominal breathing and not chest breathing. Breath like a baby. There is no need to make it complicated. Qi will then sink to the lower dantien.

Whatever you feel is not Qi. Qi feels like Qi. There are different kinds, but a table I grab with my hands, is not Qi.

The breaking down, or dissolution of the ego is not necessary or wanted. I assume that is what you mean. The ego is always present and necessary. What is desired is to allow the ego to operate within where it is necessary, but not operate where it is not necessary.

You seem to be attached to a lot of the spiritual aspects of meditation practice. These are ok, but keeping things simple is much better in the long run. If you think you know something, you probably don't know what you think you know.



Qi follows Yi, correct. What is Yi?

Have fun always actively gazing into your Lower Dantian, in everyday life, 24/7. You can't function like that. Also, this is forceful use of Yi (as in striving), especially when done too long... and especially when one focues only on one point or area. Actively gazing at Lower Dantian is at the very beginning.....
Didn't you write in a thread about Tummo/bumpachen, where you said that it releases gases inside you? This kind of stagnation happens when one practices wrong for too long. No offense. Stagnating Qi in the bowels.

Breaking the ego down, dissolution, is absolutely wanted and needed. You need to do it at least once to get it. The ego is not always present and neccessary. Why would people want to lose themselves in fulfilling activities, watching a movie, having sex, fighting...? To get this small release from their ego always saying that it actually exists and defines their lives. Cultivation is every day life.

The ego operation is neccessary for staying sane in modern society, at least for some time... But you can learn to let go. Plus, people tend to think you're insane or psychotic when you confront them with unfiltered cultivation. So yeah, the ego is absoooolutely neccessary :-X

I won't comment on your last paragraph ;D
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Re: Sink Qi into Dantian

Postby Quigga on Thu Aug 20, 2020 1:48 pm

Trick wrote:
wiesiek wrote:" -drink-
does that say bleach ?


It says 'belch', sound word for burping. Spitting out, vomiting bad stuff.
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Re: Sink Qi into Dantian

Postby Quigga on Thu Aug 20, 2020 2:51 pm

Re: the "grabbing table is table not Qi'. Do you feel the table or do you feel the feeling of feeling the table? Small but important difference.
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Re: Sink Qi into Dantian

Postby Trick on Thu Aug 20, 2020 8:23 pm

Quigga wrote:
Trick wrote:
wiesiek wrote:" -drink-
does that say bleach ?


It says 'belch', sound word for burping. Spitting out, vomiting bad stuff.

The little yellow fellow looks happy ingesting the bad stuff
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Re: Sink Qi into Dantian

Postby Quigga on Sat Aug 22, 2020 12:58 am

1) You may know something about my personal life...
2) Letting go of the face is pretty hard for me.
3) Do you mean one shouldn't bother whether what's coming in is good or bad?
4) Without taking in, you can't spit out ???
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Re: Sink Qi into Dantian

Postby Trick on Sat Aug 22, 2020 2:24 am

I just wondered what that yellow thing was ‘saying’ when drinking from the bottle....but now reading your four points maybe there was a deeper meaning on sinking the Qi from the poster to include that drinking smiley in his post?
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Re: Sink Qi into Dantian

Postby wiesiek on Mon Aug 24, 2020 1:12 am

:) when pill of qi has been swollen
you may bleach out uneven content...
Joyful Fruits of the Live
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