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Dynamic Punch

PostPosted: Wed Sep 09, 2020 6:34 pm
by johnwang
You can have

- 1 step 1 punch.
- 1 step 2 punches.
- 1 step 3 punches.

You can also have many steps 1 punch. Your opponent is moving back. You move in to cover the distance. When you do that, you are using dynamic punch.

Here is an example of the "dynamic punch". I like this kind of mobility training.

Your thought?

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Re: Dynamic Punch

PostPosted: Thu Sep 10, 2020 12:33 am
by Quigga
I don't really get the point of it. When would you use this?

If my enemy moved that far back, it would be clear he doesn't even want to fight...

Why weird jump in the middle? To jump over chain? Or to stomp on poor fellas head? Maybe attack towards ankle with the first long left step. Or against a spear to close distance?

Maybe just a mobility drill.

Re: Dynamic Punch

PostPosted: Thu Sep 10, 2020 7:54 am
by Trick
i dont see a jump in that gif but a quick "leg raise, maybe it comes along in a spirited mood..... and thats how i see this practice its to foster a strong forward spirit, the leg raise may be to balancing the forward momentum somewhat ?

Re: Dynamic Punch

PostPosted: Thu Sep 10, 2020 7:55 am
by Trick
sorry, i do see a slight jump...maybe its an longfist boxing shuffle

Re: Dynamic Punch

PostPosted: Thu Sep 10, 2020 12:35 pm
by johnwang
Quigga wrote:I don't really get the point of it. When would you use this?

If my enemy moved that far back, it would be clear he doesn't even want to fight...

In battle field, it doesn't matter your opponent wants to fight or not. You still want to kill him.

Quigga wrote:Why weird jump in the middle? To jump over chain? Or to stomp on poor fellas head? Maybe attack towards ankle with the first long left step. Or against a spear to close distance?

Maybe just a mobility drill.

It's a skip, hop, or small jump. The long fist footwork intend to cover a lot of space that may not be flat.

Re: Dynamic Punch

PostPosted: Thu Sep 10, 2020 2:12 pm
by marvin8
johnwang wrote:
Quigga wrote:I don't really get the point of it. When would you use this?

If my enemy moved that far back, it would be clear he doesn't even want to fight...

In battle field, it doesn't matter your opponent wants to fight or not. You still want to kill him.

In society, that is murder with the possibility of life in prison or death penalty.

johnwang wrote:
Quigga wrote:Why weird jump in the middle? To jump over chain? Or to stomp on poor fellas head? Maybe attack towards ankle with the first long left step. Or against a spear to close distance?

Maybe just a mobility drill.

It's a skip, hop, or small jump. The long fist footwork intend to cover a lot of space that may not be flat.

The more skip, hop, or small jump, the more opportunity to be countered. When you "cover a lot of space," the trained opponent has time to get "off line" with footwork and counter.

Your strategy is mainly relying on forward momentum to overcome the opponent, which works. However, the properly trained fighter should be able to counter it, using CMA/universal principles/strategies.

Re: Dynamic Punch

PostPosted: Thu Sep 10, 2020 2:21 pm
by Bao
Are you sure this jumping around is not something taken from Beijing Opera?

Re: Dynamic Punch

PostPosted: Thu Sep 10, 2020 3:19 pm
by johnwang
Bao wrote:Are you sure this jumping around is not something taken from Beijing Opera?

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Re: Dynamic Punch

PostPosted: Thu Sep 10, 2020 4:58 pm
by zrm
Disengaging by running away and then re-engaging from a distance or hitting people whilst running past them with momentum behind you is something that is not studied enough in my opinion. Especially when the situation is not restricted to 1 on 1 fight and situation involves groups of people on separate sides.

Re: Dynamic Punch

PostPosted: Thu Sep 10, 2020 6:53 pm
by marvin8
zrm wrote:Disengaging by running away and then re-engaging from a distance or hitting people whilst running past them with momentum behind you is something that is not studied enough in my opinion. Especially when the situation is not restricted to 1 on 1 fight and situation involves groups of people on separate sides.

Yielding, leading an opponent into emptiness, then issuing from punching range is generally taught.

Mayweather Jr. lures (yin) by leaning forward, listens (ting), yields, then as opponent strikes (timing) he pivots/controls (na) and hits/issue (fa):

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Re: Dynamic Punch

PostPosted: Thu Sep 10, 2020 11:24 pm
by Trick
Bao wrote:Are you sure this jumping around is not something taken from Beijing Opera?

Western boxers occasionally skip around too

Re: Dynamic Punch

PostPosted: Thu Sep 10, 2020 11:31 pm
by Trick
marvin8 wrote:
johnwang wrote:
Quigga wrote:I don't really get the point of it. When would you use this?

If my enemy moved that far back, it would be clear he doesn't even want to fight...

In battle field, it doesn't matter your opponent wants to fight or not. You still want to kill him.

In society, that is murder with the possibility of life in prison or death penalty.

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So is this the new angle now why we should stop training in TMA, cause the forms has “killingl methods ? It’s getting weirder

Re: Dynamic Punch

PostPosted: Thu Sep 10, 2020 11:33 pm
by edededed
Moving punch is a typical northern CMA method - xingyiquan and baguazhang come from the north, too. (Taijiquan is an atypical example I guess.)

Re: Dynamic Punch

PostPosted: Thu Sep 10, 2020 11:48 pm
by marvin8
Trick wrote:
marvin8 wrote:
johnwang wrote:In battle field, it doesn't matter your opponent wants to fight or not. You still want to kill him.

In society, that is murder with the possibility of life in prison or death penalty.

[


So is this the new angle now why we should stop training in TMA, cause the forms has “killingl methods ? It’s getting weirder

It's the law. You can choose to follow it or not.

Re: Dynamic Punch

PostPosted: Fri Sep 11, 2020 12:03 am
by marvin8
edededed wrote:Moving punch is a typical northern CMA method - xingyiquan and baguazhang come from the north, too. (Taijiquan is an atypical example I guess.)

It's a western method too called shifting (e,g, Fitzsimmons, Golovkin, Vitor Belfort vs Silva, etc.).