everything wrote:I'll give you a few examples I've said here some other times to be more clear.
Once in cooperative push hands, I stood there in a flat footed hug tree sort of posture. My pushing partner pushed lightly on both my arms. For whatever reason, I felt his right hand applied barely more pressure on my left arm. I felt energy/qi/electrical/fluid feeling circulate from there around a horizontal circle to my right arm, then felt a sense of "pressure" that pushed his left hand and he moved back. It took maybe 1s, but felt like slow motion, about 3s. Whatever "push" he gave me "pushed himself". I felt literally nothing, did nothing, except that energy seemed to come from his hand and go to his other hand. Nothing mechanical.
What "energy" stand in the ocean you will feel the same principles acting on your body.
You are standing in an ocean of air "Qi" the body is surrounded by its own field referred to as a "qi chong"
Several times in taijiquan camp with Ben Lo, he would "push" me (everyone), and I would feel "pushed", similar to how an ocean wave moves your whole body - you don't really feel any pressure - you just perceive you're being moved. I felt no energy and could detect NOTHING mechanical.
You also feel no force in standing, and yet there is an equal and opposite force being applied by you that allows you to stand
If any of the forces are changed your body will react accordingly trying to re-establish its equilibrium
"Newton's third law: If an object A exerts a force on object B, then object B must exert a force of equal magnitude and opposite direction back on object A."
Once, I asked Tim Cartmell to "press" me. He barely moved. I went flying up in the air. I could feel no energy. I could detect the smallest mechanical movement. Did he use the same "energy" as in the above two? I don't know. It could have been qualitatively the same with some bare minimum of mechanical movement. It could've been just the bare minimum of movement. I don't know.
The same principles at work, why would it not be so?
If you're talking about at least one of those kinds of things, and especially if you say you are way past these simpler examples and can do all that and much more, then I'm all ears. If you are not, it's boring. Sorry. You can be the best fighter with no fajin and no use of internal energy, and we should only talk about fighting instead, not "internal arts".
With out relating any of "those" things to combative applications they remain in the realm of what some here might call "woo-woo" a trick.
Not always the case as it's a 2 part process of gaining a skill and then understanding how to use it.
On the other hand to gain/study the skill directly, it is often studied in a
non combative context The ability to do any of it does not confer combative ability, it can be added to ones tool box so to speak for those
seeking a "combative" advantage. Sometimes people get confused thinking a skill equals experience in usage, not understanding
there's another part to the training.