Response to a low single leg

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Re: Response to a low single leg

Postby dspyrido on Mon Nov 30, 2020 8:47 pm

johnwang wrote:Will you be able to come up

- hook punch,
- downward hook,
- back fist,
- spin back fist,
- hammer fist,
- spiral fist,

from the XY, or XYLH system?


Yes. Some might see it as heresy but it seems to work for me.

5 elements:
- metal - vertical - hammer, uppercut, downward hook...
- earth - horizontal - hook, heavy backfist, forearm...
- wood - piercing - waist level punch, lunging jab, driving cross...
- fire - sharp (explosive power) - jab, light backfist...
- water - spiral - spiral hook, spiral uppercut...

Take all these concepts and apply them to the 7 stars (e.g. sharp elbow, spiral knee, piercing headbutt) done in 8 directions

Also the 5 element moves contain grabs -> does this open up qinna variations? Again yes.

Adding XYLH I get level changes, jumping, spinning additions with many more moves plus extra power from compression, twisting and expansion. Aside from great power they go well with wrestling & throws.

johnwang wrote:This is the way that I look at MA training.

- I want technique X in my toolbox.
- But it's not in my MA system A.
- Where can I get it?
- I can get it from MA system B.
- I need to cross train MA system B.


I don't disagree with this. I can't. I cross train to.

But the things I have described above act as a framework. For example there are not many styles that teach headbutts. With the above framework I have at least 6 distinct types that when mixed with direction & power (short, long, jump) make a lot more. Similarly 10 elbows were enough because they blow out with the extra dimensions.

I train variations, make some up & run through moves in shadow routines. Sometimes I reinvent things that others have probably thought of. Sometimes I rediscover things I learnt a long time ago.

Sometimes I go and learn something completely different from someone else. It might not fit the above stuff but if it's useful I don't disagree with. For example there are no sacrificing throws in XY/XYLH. On matts they are not a bad idea when caught out to apply a reversal.

In sparring/tournaments - I don't care about what technique I use or where I learnt it. I just care about testing things out, learning & refining along with what is legal & also reasonable to my sparring partners.
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Re: Response to a low single leg

Postby dspyrido on Mon Nov 30, 2020 9:01 pm

zrm wrote:Closest response to a low single leg situation that I could find in my library of old Chinese martial art books.

...

Catching the rat is pretty goddam painful. Probably not something you want to do during everyday sparring practice unless you want piss a lot of people off.


Interesting.

Yes SJ does not touch the knee on the ground. It's similar to the post JohnWang has done which I think can be adjusted to a low single leg.

johnwang wrote:Image


The leg shuffle & turn could be mixed in with the shoulder control here. Just needs to be a bit lower.

There's also head control but good wrestlers are not born with necks so it would be wiser to move out of the way or deflect vs. to try to force anything on them.

Giles wrote:Hurrah! A constructive, interesting and civil discussion that's actually about the original posted question/theme. Wonders may occur after all. :)


::)

Lol.
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Re: Response to a low single leg

Postby cloudz on Sat Dec 05, 2020 8:08 am

soccer kick to the head
jump in the air and stomp
sprawl and downward elbow
sprawl and headlock/ guillotine
guard to omaplata
guard to grab hair and hook punch to face repeatedly
guard to bite ear off

depends, but i really enjoyed fantasising about it anyway!
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Re: Response to a low single leg

Postby AJG on Sat Dec 05, 2020 5:11 pm

Giles wrote:Hurrah! A constructive, interesting and civil discussion that's actually about the original posted question/theme. Wonders may occur after all. :)


Who would have thought

Told you DS :P
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Re: Response to a low single leg

Postby johnwang on Sat Dec 05, 2020 11:38 pm

How will you counter a single leg like this if your opponent pick you up?

https://twitter.com/espnmma/status/1335424326720483328
I'm still allergic to "push".
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Re: Response to a low single leg

Postby dspyrido on Sun Dec 06, 2020 7:02 pm

johnwang wrote:How will you counter a single leg like this if your opponent pick you up?

https://twitter.com/espnmma/status/1335424326720483328


Like this?

Image

BTW that's a double leg which ended up going to a bear hug.

It's a good video. Shows the power of a slam (+elbow) & why setting up to pull guard on a standing opponent is just silly. Dreams of a guillotine I guess.

But then again why over-commit with a wide hook in the first few seconds of an mma match? It's not a bar fight.

Aside from f'ing up so quickly he did do a partial sprawl to block the double.

The simple thing I would have done - head control. Control the head - control the body. Can't get the palm in? Then slide the elbow in. It's not a downward elbow but pressure on the head to move it off the body. If the head is off the body and there's a gap then there's no bear hug.

Also he could have easily just unclasped his legs & kicked out to create space. Wiman (poor fella that got smashed) actually helped him slam him.
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