10 roads Cha Chuan

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10 roads Cha Chuan

Postby johnwang on Sun Dec 27, 2020 9:25 pm

I find this clip 10 roads Cha Chuan. I have only learned the 4th road.

What do you think about this long fist system Cha Chuan?

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Re: 10 roads Cha Chuan

Postby vietle87 on Sun Dec 27, 2020 10:38 pm

I learned a version of the 4th Road from Yin Qian He's lineage.

It is a great way of training footwork in different directions.
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Re: 10 roads Cha Chuan

Postby johnwang on Mon Dec 28, 2020 12:54 pm

vietle87 wrote:I learned a version of the 4th Road from Yin Qian He's lineage.

It is a great way of training footwork in different directions.

Mot people in Taiwan only train the 4th road. In the Han Ching-Tang's lineage, the 4th road Cha Chau and Taizu long fist are the last 2 forms to learn.

Something in Cha Chuan that bother me a lot. Even today, I still cannot come up any meaningful application for what his right arm is doing. It's not an upward block. It looks like he is throwing a dart with his right hand.

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Re: 10 roads Cha Chuan

Postby yeniseri on Tue Dec 29, 2020 5:10 pm

It seems that Chaquan was simplifeid to the version that I did 30-35 years ago named Changquan 1-3, part of a wushuified 'simplifeid' version.
I remember routine 1 and parts of routine 2 and 3 that I do today when I am taiji lazy. These old bones need movement, flexibility and coordination ;D

I notice that Hui martial system tend to fall into a Long Fist derivative that makes it still relevant when everything else is pointing to the ubuquition chee!
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Re: 10 roads Cha Chuan

Postby edededed on Sat Jan 02, 2021 10:59 pm

Some groups in Taiwan teach chaquan #5 and #6 as well.

The full chaquan system seems quite huge in China, including many sets of tantui, huaquan, etc. as well, and also lots of weapons sets.

Chaquan sets #1-#3 seem more basic than the later ones; maybe that is why others skipped to Chaquan #4 first.

In modern wushu today, you can see substantial parts of Chaquan #4 just spliced into the "changquan" routine. (I also only learned #4 myself.)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFjfl87ZjNc

John: I also wish I knew what the application for that movement was...
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Re: 10 roads Cha Chuan

Postby salcanzonieri on Thu Jan 07, 2021 8:17 pm

johnwang wrote:
Something in Cha Chuan that bother me a lot. Even today, I still cannot come up any meaningful application for what his right arm is doing. It's not an upward block. It looks like he is throwing a dart with his right hand.

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The same thing is done in Shaolin Quan. Supposedly, it is originally sword fighting movement.
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Re: 10 roads Cha Chuan

Postby johnwang on Thu Jan 07, 2021 8:44 pm

salcanzonieri wrote:The same thing is done in Shaolin Quan. Supposedly, it is originally sword fighting movement.

With movement like this, it doesn't give me enough motivation to train Cha Chuan. For the same amount of training time, I prefer to drill my jab, cross, hook, hook, uppercut, uppercut 6 punches combo 200 times.
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