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This kind of circular punches doesn't exist in many CMA systems. Why?

Your thought?

An interesting way to frame the question. I have only seen these types of punches in TCMA.

Personally, I don't like them because they are too telegraphed and too much can happen from the point of departure to point of arrival.

Ian C. Kuzushi wrote:they are too telegraphed and too much can happen from the point of departure to point of arrival.

What's the difference between this kind of circular punches and

- crescent kick,
- roundhouse kick,
- hook kick,
- spin hook kick?

Like looping slaps (or punches), I think crescent kicks are fun, but I wouldn't try it in a fight. Of course, that's only because I have and it didn't work out that well.

The crescent kick is the only one in that list that I think is similar, btw. And, even there, there is a clear range difference.

I've done a lot of sparring with Hunggar guys. They love to try combos with those swinging punches. But it's ridiculously easy to see them coming. I usually just give them a straight stop kick to the body to counter them. They have a very hard time to block anything while doing those circular arm swinging fists.

So, no. They look good in HK movies, but they are virtually useless to anyone with even a little bit sparring routine.

Bao wrote:it's ridiculously easy to see them coming.

This is why it's better to hide the circular punches with a foot sweep. When your opponent deals with your foot sweep, he may not pay attention on your circular punches. A left foot sweep followed by a left hook and then a right hook can be a very aggressive attack.

These punches are in at least Choy Ley Fat, Hopgar, Tongbei, Pigua, etc. Don't think they're that rare. Strider Clark already showed a practical application.

well we all probably remember this one where the girl KOs a guy who was pulling another girl's hair.

we can bet she doesn't do this circular punch from MA training - but it WORKS to great effect nevertheless. if we assume it's two guys trained and having a "duel", sure, it's different in our theoretical vacuum context.

https://metro.co.uk/2016/09/18/gigantic ... g-6135730/

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johnwang wrote:

Ian C. Kuzushi wrote:they are too telegraphed and too much can happen from the point of departure to point of arrival.

What's the difference between this kind of circular punches and

- crescent kick,
- roundhouse kick,
- hook kick,
- spin hook kick?

https://i.postimg.cc/dQkjCdwW/Bruce-Lee-4-kicks.gif

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vqL6DDM8ec

The difference is you posted a movie (Game of Death) and demo, not a fight.

Here are videos of circular punches (not exclusive to CMA) in fights.

marvin8 wrote:Excerpts from "Sanda: When Kung Fu created a solution to its problems - then threw it away:"

Mason Zhong on Aug 5, 2020 wrote:... Hooks (including check hooks), overhands, uppercuts, spinning back fists, and superman punches are the bread and butter of Cai Li Fo (Choy Li Fut) (蔡李佛).



... For example, the Guangdong Sanda Team's style was based on Choy Li Fut: a style that contains many kickboxing techniques.




The Guangdong Sanda Team was founded by Choy Li Fut practitioner Zeng Qinghuang (曾庆煌).

At 6:42, Blake Griffin, a Choy Li Fut practitioner and coach says, "Choy Li Fut looks amazing and our forms look great. But, when you fight it doesn't look like that. ... But, modification comes in. You have to learn ring craft. ... Modifications have to happen."


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UAHwzD8x97U&t=6m42s


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8OEIyTJxe8

everything wrote:we can bet she doesn't do this circular punch from MA training - but it WORKS to great effect nevertheless. if we assume it's two guys trained and having a "duel", sure, it's different in our theoretical vacuum context.

That teasing video is different A good palm slapping knock out can surely be effective, but it's not the same as the fists in those mentioned TCMA styles. What they do in CLF, HG, PG etc is that they rotate the body 180 degrees from one side to the other with stretched arms while making circular moments. And they do this in combos, mostly three different strikes in a row while rotating almost 180 degrees for each punch. Watch the first clip.

just trying to show a "real application" of a circular punch in a non-duel/non MA context. have no idea if those combos are useful, depending on some other context (boxing? mma?).

If this clip can't prove the circular punch power, I don't know what kind of other prove do you need.

I have highest respect for Choy Lee Fut, but I do not use that punch. It is slow, and easily blocked, and if you look quite closely, I can punch you while you do it.

klonk wrote:I have highest respect for Choy Lee Fut, but I do not use that punch. It is slow, and easily blocked, and if you look quite closely, I can punch you while you do it.

Correct, watch the opponent. He does a left low kick (or "left foot sweep"), "left hook" or left guard pull (chase hands), then gets KO'd before the "right hook:"

johnwang wrote:

Bao wrote:it's ridiculously easy to see them coming.

This is why it's better to hide the circular punches with a foot sweep. When your opponent deals with your foot sweep, he may not pay attention on your circular punches. A left foot sweep followed by a left hook and then a right hook can be a very aggressive attack.

johnwang wrote:If this clip can't prove the circular punch power, I don't know what kind of other prove do you need.

That's not the same punch.