Taiji 含胸拔背 - Hollow chest and bend back

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Taiji 含胸拔背 - Hollow chest and bend back

Postby johnwang on Mon Feb 01, 2021 8:59 pm

- Loose your shoulder.
- Move shoulders forward.
- Your back is bending like a curve.

Is this kind of posture healthy? Your thought?





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Re: Taiji 含胸拔背 - Hollow chest and bend back

Postby everything on Mon Feb 01, 2021 10:32 pm

Follow the energy explanation only.

It’s the same with the palms or “bubbling wells”. A little concavity.

Ignore any other garbage. Anybody saying be a hunchback. Just NVM.
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Re: Taiji 含胸拔背 - Hollow chest and bend back

Postby GrahamB on Tue Feb 02, 2021 2:34 am

I’m sure that if we just changed it to ‘soften the chest’ all this debate would go away.
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Re: Taiji 含胸拔背 - Hollow chest and bend back

Postby Bao on Tue Feb 02, 2021 7:05 am

Not "bend" back. It shoud be "raise" the back. The expression Han xiong ba bei is found in very old documents with Daoist practice and the original meaning is just exactly the opposite of how it's usually understood today.

What is meant is not a stationary posture. It's about spine movement and using the back, putting this area into action, learning how to draw strength from the spine and from the back. If you just relax the chest and back in a fixed, relaxed posture, you'll just turn your Tai Chi into bad Qigong. Instead you should learn to activate the back and spine, learn how to use it.

Here is someone who actually understand something about it. From 2.40 and onwards:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5O2kCqevdUM

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Re: Taiji 含胸拔背 - Hollow chest and bend back

Postby everything on Tue Feb 02, 2021 7:35 am

Bao wrote: turn your Tai Chi into bad Qigong.


will take that any day of the week. better than the 99.999999% of bad tai chi. ??? ::) ;D
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Re: Taiji 含胸拔背 - Hollow chest and bend back

Postby Bao on Tue Feb 02, 2021 7:40 am

everything wrote: will take that any day of the week. better than the 99.999999% of bad tai chi. ??? ::) ;D



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Re: Taiji 含胸拔背 - Hollow chest and bend back

Postby oragami_itto on Tue Feb 02, 2021 7:43 am

I don't speak Chinese but what I try to work on is "sink the chest, raise the back" which is a bit different.
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Re: Taiji 含胸拔背 - Hollow chest and bend back

Postby everything on Tue Feb 02, 2021 7:45 am

Fedor seems to have "hollowed his chest" and had some of the best takedowns and counter takedowns ever. I'm sure he never studied IMA or qigong, but there is something to his non-chest-puffed posture. I'm sure we could try to analyze it.

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Re: Taiji 含胸拔背 - Hollow chest and bend back

Postby suckinlhbf on Tue Feb 02, 2021 11:16 am

- Move shoulders forward.
- Your back is bending like a curve


It squeezes the lung all the time. How can it be healthy?
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Re: Taiji 含胸拔背 - Hollow chest and bend back

Postby johnwang on Tue Feb 02, 2021 11:57 am

suckinlhbf wrote:
- Move shoulders forward.
- Your back is bending like a curve

It squeezes the lung all the time. How can it be healthy?

含胸拔背,太极术语(其他武术也可能用此术语),指的是一种姿态,比如你往椅子上一座,身体放松,双手放在腿上,两侧肩胛骨向下松再向左右略撑开,之后再微向前。 从侧面看像含着胸一样。 这就是含胸,含者,内含也,是谓含胸,此时的背部是自然往外凸的,形成圆弧状,这就是拔背。

The shoulder belt is used to pull your shoulder backward. It can correct the forward bending body posture which is the opposite of the move shoulders forward and curve the back.

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Re: Taiji 含胸拔背 - Hollow chest and bend back

Postby johnwang on Tue Feb 02, 2021 12:11 pm

This posture is better for your health.

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Re: Taiji 含胸拔背 - Hollow chest and bend back

Postby GrahamB on Tue Feb 02, 2021 1:28 pm

This is my preferred fighting posture.
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Re: Taiji 含胸拔背 - Hollow chest and bend back

Postby GrahamB on Tue Feb 02, 2021 1:29 pm

I like the leggings too.
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Re: Taiji 含胸拔背 - Hollow chest and bend back

Postby marvin8 on Tue Feb 02, 2021 1:37 pm

johnwang wrote:This posture is better for your health.

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Getting KO'd is not good for your health. Which "posture" do you suggest for martial arts/self defense?

Henry Cejudo Olympic gold medalist in wrestling and UFC champion, "I have a nice rounded back for wrestling. ... Now, bring this stuff up. I still have that nice little curve, rounded back."

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Re: Taiji 含胸拔背 - Hollow chest and bend back

Postby GrahamB on Tue Feb 02, 2021 1:55 pm

Cejudo is a beast. I wish he hadn't retired, but he walks away at the top of his game with his brain still functioning. Wise move.
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