Xing-yi hands, Taichi waist, and Bagua legs

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Re: Xing-yi hands, Taichi waist, and Bagua legs

Postby wayne hansen on Fri Jun 25, 2021 2:53 pm

Run like ba kua,hit like Hsing I,yield like tai chi
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Re: Xing-yi hands, Taichi waist, and Bagua legs

Postby Doc Stier on Fri Jun 25, 2021 6:10 pm

wayne hansen wrote:Run like ba kua,hit like Hsing I,yield like tai chi

We have a winner! Give that man a cigar and pop a top on a cold one for him. That's it in a nutshell. ;D
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Re: Xing-yi hands, Taichi waist, and Bagua legs

Postby johnwang on Sun Jun 27, 2021 11:32 am

wayne hansen wrote:Run like ba kua,hit like Hsing I,yield like tai chi

Hitting is offense. But both running and yielding are defense.

- Boxing is good in jab. cross, hook, uppercut (offense skill).
- CMA such as WC is good in Tan Shou, Fu Shou, Bong Shou (defense skill).

Why difference emphasis are used for different MA systems?
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Re: Xing-yi hands, Taichi waist, and Bagua legs

Postby Bao on Sun Jun 27, 2021 12:06 pm

johnwang wrote:
wayne hansen wrote:Run like ba kua,hit like Hsing I,yield like tai chi

Hitting is offense. But both running and yielding are defense.

Why difference emphasis are used for different MA systems?


Ok, how about this:

Palm strike like Bagua, Fist like Xingyi, Push like Tai Chi ;D
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Re: Xing-yi hands, Taichi waist, and Bagua legs

Postby origami_itto on Sun Jun 27, 2021 1:07 pm

johnwang wrote:
wayne hansen wrote:Run like ba kua,hit like Hsing I,yield like tai chi

Hitting is offense. But both running and yielding are defense.



Best offense is a good defense.

Taijiquan yielding done properly is very offensive.
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Re: Xing-yi hands, Taichi waist, and Bagua legs

Postby wayne hansen on Sun Jun 27, 2021 2:01 pm

In hsing I hitting can be a defence
Yielding while advancing is offensive
Running to the right place is advancing to advantage
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Re: Xing-yi hands, Taichi waist, and Bagua legs

Postby Bhassler on Sun Jun 27, 2021 7:10 pm

Or, you could just learn one system that actually works...
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Re: Xing-yi hands, Taichi waist, and Bagua legs

Postby wayne hansen on Sun Jun 27, 2021 9:12 pm

I think all three are complete systems that work
The hard thing is to find a teacher who has any one as a complete system
No need to mix and match
Once you learn a bit of any one you are hooked and want more
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Re: Xing-yi hands, Taichi waist, and Bagua legs

Postby Doc Stier on Tue Jun 29, 2021 11:38 am

wayne hansen wrote:I think all three are complete systems that work.
Once you learn a bit of any one, you are hooked and want more.

Yes, indeed. More, please! ;)

And yet, demonstrable expertise in all three of these styles is generally the result of downsizing subtraction, not one of addition, i.e. eliminating all unnecessary muscular exertion, eliminating all restrictive tightness and tension in body or mind, eliminating all distracting mental activity, eliminating all incorrect structural alignment, and so forth. Thus, when these training agendas are made priorities, less is always more. :P
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Re: Xing-yi hands, Taichi waist, and Bagua legs

Postby Bob on Thu Jul 01, 2021 11:06 am

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkuuKs0tG6k

Fu Style Tai Chi was created by Master Fu ZhenSong (1881~1953) . Fu style Tai Chi has 88 Movements. This is based on Yang Style Tai Chi and combine with some Bagua & XingYi Technique . The Performer is Fu ZhenSong disciple -- Sifu Zhai RongJi .

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Re: Xing-yi hands, Taichi waist, and Bagua legs

Postby wayne hansen on Thu Jul 01, 2021 12:12 pm

I was lucky enough to learn Fu from my friend Jacqui
She learnt from Ken Chung the son of Raymond and the adopted son of Fu Wing Fei
It is a beautiful style and part of a entire system
Even though I don’t do it now it had a great effect on how I practice all 3 arts
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