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Re: Power Within Form

PostPosted: Sat Feb 20, 2021 7:24 pm
by windwalker
rojcewiczj wrote:
Anyways, I'd be very interested to hear peoples perspective on this topic. On the idea of being able to deal with resistance applied while your doing the choreography of a form.



"Resistance"

One way to "deal" with it, is understand it comes from one's self.
All resistance is from the self. unable to change either inside or outside.


In what some may view as "Static" posture, what is being tested is "central equilibrium"


This should be manifested through all parts of the body, from the center.


If it"s not "equal" there will be "gaps" that some speak of being able to find.

If it is "equal" , any and all parts have the power of the center,

like an inflated ball.

Some have pointed out that the body is not equal in dimension, very true.

Once one understands their own center based on "their" body,
and acts from this point using the mind to feel and make the connections physical and non physical,
the body will respond to an outer force much like a ball at any point touched.



Image

stillness within movement, movement within stillness, the ability that one has acquired through practice to maintain central equilibrium when they are moving or static.
Most teachers tend to test static postures understanding that moving posters are more about the transition between them. another type of "gap"

This seems to be what is being asked about. The ability to have central equilibrium in movement with out gaps in central equilibrium.

This teacher demonstrates how he can manifest this movement as his students test it.

Note: a demo between the students and teacher, allowing his students to feel some of the principles he's talking about.




edited: same teacher should play in china.

https://www.ixigua.com/6799439156679279116?wid_try=1

Re: Power Within Form

PostPosted: Sat Feb 20, 2021 7:41 pm
by Trick
rojcewiczj wrote:To say that there is "power" in the form, for me, is to say that their is an intent that can handle the introduction of resistance. One simple way that this can be done is to have a clear sense of the overall direction of your body. Meaning, making sure that, in every movement you have a sense of the direction your body force is moving into.

If I had to narrow it down to one thing that CMA must do differently than striking arts in order to be effective, its the directional movement of the body. Meaning, you cant stand in one spot and use techniques from Xingyi or some other style and expect great results. You need to be moving in like an agile Sumo wrestler, cutting angles as you go, but always moving the body on a line, in some direction.

You can train forms in this manner by focusing on the intent for the whole body to move and act on the desired line, and the ability to adjust that like (cut angles) quickly and easily.

Yes Xingyiquan has this very clear and it should be hard to miss how to practice correct..
Taijiquan can be a little more tricky since focused awareness/intent is to be more so all around at same time which is also somewhat true for Xingyiquan too but not in an perfect circle/sphere way

Re: Power Within Form

PostPosted: Sat Feb 20, 2021 7:50 pm
by Trick
windwalker wrote:[

A better way, maybe more productive, might be to understand that You’re already at the bottom of an ocean of air.
Try to get to a point where you can feel it...

Yes this and similar is such an fundamentally important practice method.....but does people actually care to reserch it...it seem not, if this method and similar is lost/ignored there’s nothing of big value to forms practice...

Re: Power Within Form

PostPosted: Sat Feb 20, 2021 8:21 pm
by Trick
Bao wrote:
windwalker wrote:A point of training to be equally connected at all points as a spherical object.
“ Central equilibrium” all parts balanced around a common center expressing the center from any point.

Without gaps in mind or body.



The human body is not equal all over. If you want to be without gaps you need constant change. If you are in a static posture, I can compromise your balance however balanced or connected you feel that you are.

As I understand from experience the no gaps in mind and body is a very real experience especially an lesser skilled combatant might feel about his opponent.....Also I believe two equally skilled can feel this about each other when squaring off, the difference might be the two of equal skill confidently begin to try to create gaps on eachother, while the former lesser skilled feel in vain and can’t do nothing......
Correct form practice is a tool to gain the skill...what WW describe is important to gain this skill..

Re: Power Within Form

PostPosted: Sat Feb 20, 2021 8:44 pm
by Trick
windwalker wrote:
Most teachers tend to test static postures understanding that moving posters are more about the transition between them. another type of "gap"

This seems to be what is being asked about. The ability to have central equilibrium in movement with out gaps in central equilibrium.

yes this seem often to be what’s missed, maybe most so by the externalists...however I believe many Taiji and similar players miss this fundamental understanding too....but probably it’s easier missed by externalists because the speedier “transitions”

Re: Power Within Form

PostPosted: Mon Feb 22, 2021 5:52 am
by Steve James
The ability to have central equilibrium in movement with out gaps in central equilibrium.


Yep.

Afa weak and strong points, in practice, an opponent will try to attack one's weak points. In theory, the idea is to be able to freely exchange yin and yang.