the rum soaked fist: internal martial arts forum

What are the internal martial arts? Does the term "Internal Martial Arts" have any legitimacy? What is a "fake" martial art? All this and more is explored in our new episode.


https://www.spreaker.com/user/9404101/6 ... rtial-arts


I mean, we all know what internal is, right?

Bao you missed the most important bit.... "... for old people."

"A Chinese non-Buddhist traditional martial art for old people that hits with the dantian"

Ok, makes more sense now I guess...

Why do you want to know?

A dry, humorless neuro-anatomy based version. https://sifuondemand.com/what-internal

Thx. As I learn, I share. There is so much depth to this material, expanding the definition to maintain, ‘Nothing to be added, nothing to be taken away’ is an ongoing challenge.

"Nei" as internal comes from the same "nei" as in "neigong", "neijing" "neidan" = A tradition of Chinese internal practice. So internal martial arts = Martial arts that is based on traditional Chinese internal practice. Which means that ONLY a certain type of Chinese martial arts can be called "internal".

Names are boxes that people like to put things in. A rose by any other name would smell just as sweet. The Tao that can be told is not the true Tao. Et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.

@ Kelley Graham

Chinese Martial Arts are sometimes divided into two adversarial camps: Internal vs External.

https://sifuondemand.com/what-internal

Interesting write up,

just wondered how you came to find the terminology as "adversarial"
instead of donating different methods of practices that for the most part
are Incompatible with each other.

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The question remains, "Where can we find common language?" I look to neuroanatomy.

Would not the common language be "Chinese"
Understood within the cultural context it's referencing.
Understood in this case means ability ie skill, as acknowledged by those within the culture who would be
considered as authoritative or standards by which it's measured.

A rose by any other name would smell just as sweet

In China there is a saying

"Hanging up goat's heads and selling dog meat"

As with practices labeled "internal " there are things that people can do that can not be done or achieved using other methods.
In one sense the "label" doesn't matter in another sense it does if one is looking to develop the qualities or skill sets they seek deemed as internal.
All CMA practices use the same concepts unique to Chinese culture expressed in different ways.

I would have liked the "Muay Thai is internal" thread dug into a little deeper.

Would give a clearer indicator of exactly what Damon thinks what is internal rather than the not this, not this (neti neti) dialogue

windwalker wrote:@ Kelley Graham

Chinese Martial Arts are sometimes divided into two adversarial camps: Internal vs External.

https://sifuondemand.com/what-internal

Interesting write up,

just wondered how you came to find the terminology as "adversarial"
instead of donating different methods of practices that for the most part
are Incompatible with each other.

Personal Experience of both camps. When I was a traditional Okinawan Karate guy, my test of the character of a prospective teacher was if he would talk trash about soft arts. It took me 5 years to find one who passed. Same for CIMA.

The question remains, "Where can we find common language?" I look to neuroanatomy.

£Would not the common language be "Chinese"
Understood within the cultural context it's referencing.
Understood in this case means ability ie skill, as acknowledged by those within the culture who would be
considered as authoritative or standards by which it's measured.

Sure. Many have done so. I’m interested in more basic stuff. The things we all share as human beings, not only Mandarin speaking human beings. Speaking of context, the Mandarin Culture to which you refer no longer exists. I look for authenticity elsewhere.

Kelley Graham wrote:

Sure. Many have done so. I’m interested in more basic stuff. The things we all share as human beings, not only Mandarin speaking human beings. Speaking of context, Mandarin Culture to which you refer no longer exists. I look for authenticity elsewhere.

Could be wrong, Mandarin a language spoken within a culture.

Your experience and mine seems to be very different.
Those I've met and have learned from, very much use the language as written. They had the skill sets to allow one to feel the reality of what was written.
Among some of the older masters, some do use physics and other examples to convey what they feel would help others grasp it.



Thanks for the reply

the Mandarin Culture to which you refer no longer exists.

It is so sad. We have told the Chinese years ago that they will have to turn to non-Chinese to learn Chinese Kungfu, and the only advantage that they have is the traits of Chinese culture/philosophy remained with them in their blood. An undeniable fact is to be able to find a qualified Chinese teacher is kind of luck.

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Nothing is as internal as a good rant on Rumsoakedfist.

In a hundred years social historians will look back at this strange obsession over internal amongst martial artists at the turn of the century and decide it was all about going on the internet and telling other people they were wrong.