Sinking the Qi to the Dan Tien Training Methods

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Re: Sinking the Qi to the Dan Tien Training Methods

Postby chinwoo1956 on Wed Aug 18, 2021 1:53 am

method which works well for many is a top down head to foot process of:
Relax
Release
Sink
Center
Root
Circulate and Store
or
Circulate and Issue
Rinse and repeat. :)

WHAT DOES THE ABOVE ALL MEAN

SINKING THE QI TO THE DAN TIEN TRAINING METHODS ??????????

Someone please, simple training methods for Chinese Martial ( Fighting ) Artists that we can all use and UNDERSTAND
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Re: Sinking the Qi to the Dan Tien Training Methods

Postby Trip on Wed Aug 18, 2021 3:37 am

chinwoo1956 wrote:SINKING THE QI TO THE DAN TIEN TRAINING METHODS ??????????

Someone please, simple training methods for Chinese Martial ( Fighting ) Artists that we can all use and UNDERSTAND

The absolute most important ingredient that's missing is YOU, chinwoo!

Several people already told you the method you requested on page 1 of your thread.
If you’re doing Yang Style, doing the 10 Essentials sinks the qi to the dantian.

I’ll say it another way:
The first 5 + the 10th, of the ten Essentials puts your body in the proper body shape & that sinks the qi to the dantian.

keep proper body shape; the head is extended upwards, the chest slightly sinking inwards, and the hips folded, with the shoulders sinking down, and elbows pulling shoulders and upper back in to a slightly rounded position. Even in transition movement the lower back needs to sink downwards as if preparing to sit in a chair and the upper body needs to lean slightly forward with head erect, pulling the spine into alignment.
In transitions, do not change the internal feeling with the chi sinking down. This is called stillness in movement. Yang Family


But, words don’t matter. The most important thing is you. What you do with the info provided.

I strongly suggest that you find a physical instructor
(not a video)
a physical person who can do it & hand feed it to you.

Because, to paraphrase Wayne Hansen:
Taiji is literally passed from hand to hand
If your teacher has not got it—they can’t hand it to you
If you don't have it—you can't guess what it is you’re supposed to DO


Then while it’s being handed & after it’s been properly handed to you
YOU must, very carefully, put in the work to Physically & Mentally Realize the meaning behind the words & movements taught to you.

And, work extra hard to put it in your body:
That means hours, days, months of practice & sparring.

And, if you’re gonna fight,
then you must fight to know what fighting is.
Nothing replaces fighting to understand fighting.

(And, it is not cowardly to realize you're not cut out for fighting)
(Fighting when you can't fight is stupid)

(Edit: if you're an adult or almost an adult
and you're on a website to find out about fighting basics
Strong clue you're probably not a fighter
Most fighters have been fighting & winning fights since childhood)
doesn't mean you can't learn about fighting or spar or whatever :)


Then if you want to fight and win with it?
you must not focus on sinking the Qi.

You must focus on not getting socked in the face or thrown on your head.
Meaning, focus on what you’re trying to do & Understanding what your opponent is trying to do (to you).

But!
What ever you do—DO NOT FOCUS ON THE BREATH: Coordinate
The breath is very important!
Focusing on the breath is not the point of Taiji.


(This is just a quick spitball on the "Sinking the Qi"
There's way more to Taiji -- things like learning & perfecting Taiji Skills, etc.)
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Re: Sinking the Qi to the Dan Tien Training Methods

Postby chinwoo1956 on Wed Aug 18, 2021 4:25 am

" Then if you want to fight and win with it?
you must not focus on sinking the Qi."

"You must focus on not getting socked in the face or thrown on your head."

Thanks for that advice.

All clear now on what I should do.

It was what I expected.

Thanks for your word of wisdom
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Re: Sinking the Qi to the Dan Tien Training Methods

Postby Doc Stier on Wed Aug 18, 2021 6:56 am

chinwoo1956 wrote:method which works well for many is a top down head to foot process of:
Relax
Release
Sink
Center
Root
Circulate and Store
or
Circulate and Issue
Rinse and repeat. :)

WHAT DOES THE ABOVE ALL MEAN

SINKING THE QI TO THE DAN TIEN TRAINING METHODS ??????????

Wow! It's self-explanatory. Ai-aah! Yau mo gau cho aah! ::)
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Re: Sinking the Qi to the Dan Tien Training Methods

Postby oragami_itto on Wed Aug 18, 2021 8:23 am

Doc Stier wrote:
chinwoo1956 wrote:method which works well for many is a top down head to foot process of:
Relax
Release
Sink
Center
Root
Circulate and Store
or
Circulate and Issue
Rinse and repeat. :)

WHAT DOES THE ABOVE ALL MEAN

SINKING THE QI TO THE DAN TIEN TRAINING METHODS ??????????

Wow! It's self-explanatory. Ai-aah! Yau mo gau cho aah! ::)


Oh now be fair, lol!

If you understand the jargon then it's pretty self explanatory, but without knowing the details of the methods behind the single words it's no more practically useful than me telling you the TCP Handshake is SYN, SYN/ACK, ACK.

chinwoo1956 if you really want to learn there are some great starting off points already described in the thread. If you're just trying to prove there is nothing worth learning, then I guess you have your reward.
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Re: Sinking the Qi to the Dan Tien Training Methods

Postby Doc Stier on Wed Aug 18, 2021 9:22 am

oragami_itto wrote:
Doc Stier wrote:
chinwoo1956 wrote:method which works well for many is a top down head to foot process of:
Relax
Release
Sink
Center
Root
Circulate and Store
or
Circulate and Issue
Rinse and repeat. :)

WHAT DOES THE ABOVE ALL MEAN

SINKING THE QI TO THE DAN TIEN TRAINING METHODS ??????????

Wow! It's self-explanatory. Ai-aah! Yau mo gau cho aah! ::)


Oh now be fair, lol!

If you understand the jargon then it's pretty self explanatory, but without knowing the details of the methods behind the single words it's no more practically useful than me telling you the TCP Handshake is SYN, SYN/ACK, ACK.

Pffft! Nonsense. There is no special jargon or terminology whatsoever in my post. It simply requires one to contemplate the formula and envision the process unfolding within your own mind and body. ::)
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Re: Sinking the Qi to the Dan Tien Training Methods

Postby GrahamB on Wed Aug 18, 2021 9:25 am

Doc Stier wrote:There is no special, proprietary jargon in my post. ::)


ReallY?

I mean, I did Welsh at school, but I'm struggling with "Ai-aah! Yau mo gau cho aah! " - do you want to know the way to the train station???
I could be wrong.
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Re: Sinking the Qi to the Dan Tien Training Methods

Postby Doc Stier on Wed Aug 18, 2021 9:42 am

GrahamB wrote:
Doc Stier wrote:There is no special, proprietary jargon in my post. ::)


ReallY?

I mean, I did Welsh at school, but I'm struggling with "Ai-aah! Yau mo gau cho aah! " - do you want to know the way to the train station???

Really? Seriously? The Chinese saying was part of a follow-up comment, not a part of my initial formula post, but you knew that. ::)

Everyone is welcome to consider using the formula, or not, as they wish. As always, what may be a treasure to some is little more than pearls before swine to others. No worries. It's all good either way. 8-)
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Re: Sinking the Qi to the Dan Tien Training Methods

Postby GrahamB on Wed Aug 18, 2021 1:00 pm

Oes gennych chi broblem gyda deall jôc?
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Re: Sinking the Qi to the Dan Tien Training Methods

Postby Doc Stier on Wed Aug 18, 2021 1:26 pm

GrahamB wrote:Oes gennych chi broblem gyda deall jôc?

OK. No problem. Hopefully, you can see the f you in my smile. ;D
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Re: Sinking the Qi to the Dan Tien Training Methods

Postby yeniseri on Thu Aug 19, 2021 5:14 pm

1. We all have dantian. As I have mentioned previously someplace, there are actually 4 areas but the main area has usually been qihai unless otherwise specified.
2. The other area(s). ie. 3 are usually as follows: middle and upper
a. Shanzhong / Zhongwan (chest-between nipples
c. Baihui (upper dantian????
d. Yintang (between eyebrows)

In Western parlance "the closest I can think about is when there is a lack of xin (mind/body union! same mind), sh*t happens. The concept of 'gut feeling' though not specified, it is usually in lower part of abdomen ;D
On their own merit, dantian training methods usually qihai (lower abdomen) on 'higher levels' induces the wheel (falun) where there is sensation of this "wheel turning syndrome" that one has to resolve but this higher consciousness is unique on its own merit.
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Re: Sinking the Qi to the Dan Tien Training Methods

Postby johnwang on Thu Aug 19, 2021 5:56 pm

The last move of the Yang Taiji "close Taiji" is to sink Chi down to Dantian. Someone had a Taiji workshop just for this move.

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Re: Sinking the Qi to the Dan Tien Training Methods

Postby yeniseri on Sun Aug 22, 2021 11:36 pm

I had a few "old school" teachers who gave us an exercise of raising and lowereing hands until we were exhausted. You could not do the raising and lowering of hands fast. Take is easy.
After the first class, it was only me and 2 other fools out of 15 students remained. Then my teacher decided to stop the session and continue with form because people didn't pay to do the same stupid movements for x months.

And the rest was history! I did come in earlier for the next 6 months.......
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Re: Sinking the Qi to the Dan Tien Training Methods

Postby BruceP on Tue Aug 24, 2021 12:43 pm

chinwoo1956 wrote:
Someone please, simple training methods for Chinese Martial ( Fighting ) Artists that we can all use and UNDERSTAND


Try this;

https://rumsoakedfist.org/viewtopic.php ... 75#p117091
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Re: Sinking the Qi to the Dan Tien Training Methods

Postby Bhassler on Wed Aug 25, 2021 8:27 am

BruceP wrote:
chinwoo1956 wrote:
Someone please, simple training methods for Chinese Martial ( Fighting ) Artists that we can all use and UNDERSTAND


Try this;

https://rumsoakedfist.org/viewtopic.php ... 75#p117091


Did it last night and immediately fell off my retaining wall. Maybe late at night when you're exhausted isn't the best time to revisit this stuff. Interesting to come back to some of these threads a decade later, as I read them quite differently, now.
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