Huang Renliang on Gong Bu

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Re: Huang Renliang on Gong Bu

Postby windwalker on Tue Oct 19, 2021 11:52 am

A lot of what is considered correct or not comes down to ability and line of taiji.
With different lines expressing movement using different concepts according to either the teachers or students
ability based on their understanding and ability at particular point in time, something that may change as their practice deepens.

example of Grandmaster Wang YongQuan


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFSYFkoOb90

Explanations written by one of his more public students Teacher Wei ShuRen

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Re: Huang Renliang on Gong Bu

Postby oragami_itto on Tue Oct 19, 2021 12:52 pm

Can you translate that?
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Re: Huang Renliang on Gong Bu

Postby windwalker on Tue Oct 19, 2021 1:38 pm

oragami_itto wrote:Can you translate that?


It would be better for one of the native speakers
to summarize it....

There are parts of it preceding that page some here would have a hard time with :-\

Aligns with my teachers practice, my thoughts at this time...

For those interested , written in English.



I have decided to record down some of the insights gained by co-athouring with my Poland representative/instructor, Cezary Kwiatkowski to produce this book, 'Imperial Yang Tai Chi - True Teaching of the Yang Family'. This book also contained partial translations of Master Wei's book, 'Yang Tai Chi True Teaching'. Cezary is also an author in Poland.





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http://www.1internalmartialarts.com/Imp ... iBook.html


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The 3-Passes involves the use of intention to connect the tailbone to the back and back of the head so as to unify the body as a coordinated whole. There are four variations of the 3-Passes which are trained in the forms.



https://spark.adobe.com/page/WbRbg/


Note: material presented for informational purposes only.
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Re: Huang Renliang on Gong Bu

Postby wayne hansen on Wed Oct 20, 2021 12:21 pm

Some bad photos above
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Re: Huang Renliang on Gong Bu

Postby windwalker on Sun Oct 31, 2021 11:18 am

It is quite interesting.



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Teacher WeiShur Ren's book on the teachings of master Wang Yongquan

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The "clock hammer" refers to the "hammer/ "clapper" in a bell.

Builds on information from proceeding chapters referring to the CG




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rough translation " condensed "





Talks about 5 points, determining the timing and position of CG in the steps.

There are five points between the feet, that is, one to five points. One point and five points are located under the ankles of the front and back feet respectively.

Between the heels;

Two points are close to the inner ankle of the forefoot, four points are close to the inner ankle of the hind foot, and three points are in the middle of both feet.

The vertical line in the body is a line of consciousness, which hangs straight from the bottom of the neck to the question of both feet.
The standing of Taijiquan is in the middle, no

IMPARTIALITY DEPENDS ON THIS VERTICAL LINE IN THE BODY TO MEASURE AND IMPLEMENT. All movements of Taijiquan depend on hanging in the body.


Therefore, the relationship between the landing point of the vertical line and the position of the feet is attached below the boxing frame picture.

Although the vertical line in the body and the clock hammer are in the same position in the body, they do not play the same role.





many discussions concerning stepping, timing of foot and and hand coordination ect...much of which has been outlined
in different post reflecting on ones practice.

Intent of practice, what it's based on, theory by which it's practiced by...
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Re: Huang Renliang on Gong Bu

Postby wayne hansen on Sun Oct 31, 2021 11:54 am

Can’t wait to see the misunderstandings that come out of this theory
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Re: Huang Renliang on Gong Bu

Postby windwalker on Sun Oct 31, 2021 12:20 pm

wayne hansen wrote:Can’t wait to see the misunderstandings that come out of this theory



Why wait,,,whats "your" understanding....
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Re: Huang Renliang on Gong Bu

Postby wayne hansen on Sun Oct 31, 2021 3:18 pm

Not saying he is right or wrong
I can just see all the misunderstandings that can arise
We still haven’t recovered from Chen drawing lines around peoples bodies and the tai chi symbol with all the hands drawn on it
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Re: Huang Renliang on Gong Bu

Postby johnwang on Sun Oct 31, 2021 6:45 pm

What's your opinion about this 2 body structures?

1. The upper body is vertical. The alignment bend at the hip.
2. The whole body form a perfect straight line from head to back foot.

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Re: Huang Renliang on Gong Bu

Postby wayne hansen on Sun Oct 31, 2021 6:59 pm

Different arts different mechanics
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Re: Huang Renliang on Gong Bu

Postby johnwang on Sun Oct 31, 2021 7:37 pm

wayne hansen wrote:Different arts different mechanics

But these 2 are the same Taiji art.

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Re: Huang Renliang on Gong Bu

Postby wayne hansen on Sun Oct 31, 2021 8:57 pm

Wu would be even more inclined
I find that not really a worry
It is just external variation
It is more what they are aiming for that counts
Yang moved quite differently in younger photos
I am more worried by those that look exactly like him in photos
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Re: Huang Renliang on Gong Bu

Postby Steve James on Mon Nov 01, 2021 1:58 pm

I agree with Bob that the photo of a posture isn't a good way to evaluate much except alignment at that particular point. That "stances" were created from "steps."

Afa the issue of vertical versus horizontal, in motion, they're both relevant. Though, it makes sense that when one is standing still, the back leg isn't pushing forward. Well, if it is, then the body should be moving forward (advancing).

Is it a different question when it comes to receiving?
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Re: Huang Renliang on Gong Bu

Postby Doc Stier on Mon Nov 01, 2021 9:12 pm

Older methods of TCC in every style typically maintain a vertical structural alignment in defensive technique postures, but employ some degree of forward incline in the upper body when executing offensive technique postures other than kicks.

The preference of maintaining a vertical structural alignment in all postures, more commonly seen in the past 50 years or so, was popularized primarily by the Cheng Man-Ching style starting in the 1970's, due to the greater emphasis on non-martial benefits from the practice, i.e. TCC for health and longevity, for self-cultivation via a moving meditation method, and as a graceful exercise performance art.

Since these benefits appealed to a greater number of people than the martial aspects of TCC apparently did, more and more practitioners of most styles adopted a similar manner of practice, which seems to be more the norm nowadays.
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Re: Huang Renliang on Gong Bu

Postby Steve James on Tue Nov 02, 2021 7:03 am

Got me thinking about Parker's kempo book. One of the traditional stances was called the "back gong bu" or reverse bow step. Y'all know; it's just sitting back on the rear leg. I suppose that Snake Creeps down would be similar.

So, in that position, does the front foot push back? I'd argue that will depend on what came before and what comes afterward. Also, in Parker's illustration (sorry, he's my only reference), the spine is definitely vertical. In tcc Snake Creeps Down, should the back remain vertical all the time? Or, should one go back vertically, then lean forward, and then end up ???

Had to check about the Parker stuff, and found this discussion.
http://www.kenpotalk.com/forum/85-epak- ... r-bow.html
http://www.kenpotalk.com/forum/85-epak-technical-studies/13557-rear-bow.html
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