vadaga wrote:Fubo wrote:C.J.W. wrote:"Weight training is bad for internal development" is a terrible sweeping generalization.
We've all heard stories of old-time IMA masters training with long and heavy weapons or some other types of weighted apparatuses, so how can weight training be wrong?
The key is HOW you do it.
I'd actually say that weight training is beneficial to internal development -- if you do it right.
Yes, I made that exact point in the opening post... the question however was not whether weight training is bad for internal development, but whether activities like skating and bicycling, which develop the legs in different ways from IMA, negatively affect IMA development.
Sorry for not responding to your previous post. It is a good question you have posed here... I cant speak to the skating but for biking I would say that it's not categorically the case that cycling will negatively affect IMA development. What will do that is doing a lot of cycle training without stretching properly before/after--- one thing I make sure to do at the end of long cycle training sessions is hamstring stretches on a waist-high table, windowsill, counter etc. and a set of splits.
Here we need to differentiate between extensive cycling, (I will arbitrarily set this at 100+km/week) and incidental cycling (totally OK)
One other thing of course is that if one is training seriously for cycling there are crowding effects for those of us who are not fulltime self-cultivators- when I am in cycle season and should be training on the bike ~15 hours a week (in addition to working the fulltime job), my IMA training basically consists only of the relaxed stuff... however the conditioning benefits allow me to then throw myself into very active training for martial arts when the cycling season winds up in the fall which is a benefit.
Formosa Neijia wrote:Fubo wrote:C.J.W. wrote:"Weight training is bad for internal development" is a terrible sweeping generalization.
Yes, I made that exact point in the opening post... the question however was not whether weight training is bad for internal development, but whether activities like skating and bicycling, which develop the legs in different ways from IMA, negatively affect IMA development.
"Internal development" needs to be proven to exist in the first place. It's not a given and no two teachers even agree what it is. Defining internal as against fitness and comparing the two without seeing where they not only may overlap but actually might be two different names for the same thing will be limiting.
You get good at what you do: whether it's stancework or cycling. It's a matter of priority in training and then crosstraining other things to improve attributes your main activity may not adequately address.
So from fitness studies we've seen completely untrained beginners start a jogging program and in one month their 1 rep barbell squat goes up with no barbell squatting in the training simply due to an increased muscle stimulus from the running. It goes up but that tapers off quickly without further squat training as the beginner gains end.
Same thing with cycling and skating. Increasing your 1 rep squat will increase stroke power allowing you to pedal faster. Cycling done correctly can greatly increase muscle mass. My college roommate was a bicycle sprinter and he had the biggest thighs I've ever seen. With crappy form, he could put 300lbs on a bar and squat it any time. But to get better as a squatter, he would have to work on squat form. Further cycling's endurance building carries over to everything else. My first female trainer at my gym was an avid cyclist and i once gave my trainers a running test. She ran circles around all of them. But against a dedicated runner, she might not be so impressive. Looking at skating, skater squats are excellent for getting people to push off the ground when springing forward. Check out how cyclists and skaters train their legs and you'll answer your own question: no, it won't hurt anything else you do if you keep the majority of your focus on the main activity and crosstrain correctly.
IMO the real question that should be asked and never is is this: should people with zero baseline fitness be so desperately worried with largely fictional "internal development" especially if practicing an actual martial art involving punching and kicking people is the focus?
Bao wrote:Discussing definitions of "Internal" is pointless. It won't matter how much you read about or intellectualize terms.
And why are people here so obsessed by what not to do and prohibitions? Why not instead focus on discussing practical practice, practical exercises, how to practice and what to do?
Why do people discuss road blocks before discussing how to actually find the path?
Fubo wrote:I don't think anyone has brought up magic or mysticism, yet, and not sure where anyone said they're trying to avoid the hard work.
Doc Stier wrote:Fubo wrote:I don't think anyone has brought up magic or mysticism, yet, and not sure where anyone said they're trying to avoid the hard work.
What's up with the snarky comment? My post was a general commentary, not directed at anyone here. If you don't like my posts, feel free to simply scroll past them. Enjoy your weekend.
Fubo wrote:Doc Stier wrote:Fubo wrote:I don't think anyone has brought up magic or mysticism, yet, and not sure where anyone said they're trying to avoid the hard work.
What's up with the snarky comment? My post was a general commentary, not directed at anyone here. If you don't like my posts, feel free to simply scroll past them. Enjoy your weekend.
It's difficult to read your post as anything but snark or condescension when you add an eye roll after saying that people chase after magic, mysticism, and are unwilling to work hard, on a topic about how other activities may impact one's IMA development... The insinuation is that those who contemplate how other training methods and activities may affect one's IMA training are some how about the woo woo, or just can't or not willing to put in the hard work. If you can't see the snark in your own comment, intentional or not, I don't know what you tell you. Have a nice weekend.
Doc Stier wrote:With all due respect for your opinion, I stated previously on this thread that I have long included other training methods in conjunction with my IMA regimen without negative affects, and have found both to be mutually beneficial to one another. I guess you missed that memo.
I make every effort to be direct and straightforward in posting my opinions in order to eliminate any insinuation or vagueness. You read much into my post which wasn't intended, wasn't said, and simply isn't there.
Doc Stier wrote:Whatever, dude. Any problem you perceive here is all yours, as I have no argument with you.
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