everything wrote:So you can slowly feel your fascial tension
everything wrote:And that’s what allows one to feel Qi?
Is that the idea proposed?
everything wrote:Serious Q: is that anyone’s actual, practical experience?
everything wrote:Beginners can hold an imaginary Qi ball and some can feel Qi almost immediately.
AFAIK they didn’t learn to feel fascia first. Probably never will.
It would seem hard to reject the null hypothesis.
robert wrote:Sight and sound are both sensations, but they're different. The sensation of holding an imaginary qi ball is not the same as fascial tension. If you don't know what connection in the body feels like, if you can't use your waist to move your limbs, if you don't know what fascial tension is referring to, there isn't much point in discussing it.
everything wrote:So you can slowly feel your fascial tension
And that’s what allows one to feel Qi?
Is that the idea proposed?
Serious Q: is that anyone’s actual, practical experience?
Beginners can hold an imaginary Qi ball and some can feel Qi almost immediately.
AFAIK they didn’t learn to feel fascia first. Probably never will.
It would seem hard to reject the null hypothesis.
Quigga wrote:There are some things that likely we will never be able to measure. I mean, if you want to take away all sense of wonder and awe in the world... What's a human without something that surpasses them and escapes their limits of reasoning, belief and habit?
As for Yi - can also mean 'everything is as intended'. Then you just move within that network. And since all is connected, all moves at once. You can't be trapped by the physical body however, you need to closely watch and nurture the integration of at least 3 body layers. As for whom or what intends... It's all just a dream
Yeung wrote:People can confirm the experience of feeling some sort of energy field in their hand when they are in a passive stance, stretching out their hands with elbows pointing downward, and left and right hand connected on the upper back, etc.
oragami_itto wrote:The subjective experience can be used to guide someone along a path of cultivation, but the mental model even advanced practitioners use to understand what's happening doesn't necessarily have any resemblance to the actual phenomenon that's producing the sensation. "qi balls" for example, taking what's happening in the skin and nerves and understand it as a gathering of some external esoteric energy between the hands.
May be useful to get a working knowledge, but I think we're all better served looking beyond at the underlying truth vs getting stuck in the mythology.
(pronounces as Qi in Chinese) of breathing is air.
The gas from atmosphere is mainly composed of oxygen and nitrogen. Humans inhale air into lungs, the lungs take in oxygen but release carbon dioxide to the atmosphere.
So, the composition of the inhaled air and exhaled air are different, but they are all composed by gas molecules.
On the contrary, the Qi of "Qi sinks in Dantian" is not composed of gas molecules at all. To differentiate them, we call the Qi in "Qi sink in Dantian" as genuine Qi (in Chinese, gas and Qi are shearing a same word).
Many articles discuss "what is genuine Qi." And the conclusions are not unanimous.
Some people contend that genuine Qi and air is similar.
Others believe that genuine Qi is a substance. More people propose that genuine Qi is an electromagnetic wave. Yet additional people suggest that genuine Qi is a pure energy.
These views can explain some aspects of Qi phenomena, but no single postulation can explain all the aspects and facts of Qi.
Even though the concept of Qi is the foundation of the traditional Chinese medicine theory, the modern definition of Qi is not unanimous.
A Study Based on Biomechanics By Jie Gu, Ph. D,
Abstract
A wave is a disturbance that propagates through a medium. A physical wave is the mechanical motion of the medium. For instance, the shear and longitudinal waves.
A chemical wave is the propagation of chemical reaction, for instance, the stimulation state of body tissue, the secretion state of body fluid, and the hormone gener ation state, etc. Biological wave is the orderly wave in organic body, such as the rhythmic movement of the cells.
Physiological wave include physical, chemical, and biological waves.
This paper presents a new concept: intention wave; and identify that Qi (LA) in Taijiquan is the
Jie Gu, Ph.D. is a Detroit engineer and has studied many
aspects of Tai ChiChuan over the years.
intention wave. An intention wave is the creation and propagation of Physiological wave under the guidance of the mind.
In this paper, using the concept of intention wave, we study the relationship and difference between the gas of breathing and the Qi in Taijiquan.
May be useful to get a working knowledge, but I think we're all better served looking beyond at the underlying truth vs getting stuck in the mythology.
In this episode, Bill Moyers travels to China to learn about healing and the mind from another culture. “What I discovered in China was another way of thinking about mind and body, about health and illness and a phenomenon called chi,” Bill Moyers tells the audience in his introduction.
Later on in the episode, in a park where hundreds are practicing Tai Chi, he observes: “I can see that although traditional Chinese medicine seems alien to Westerners, it does have something to offer our practice with medicine.
On the one hand there’s the practical contribution it can make, herbs for certain diseases, acupuncture.
But there’s another level that’s becoming clear to me …
that to these people it seems that health is not just the absence of illness, it’s a philosophy of life.”
windwalker wrote:Bill Moyers, many yrs back had a good documentary on Qi
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZRHy7EBrFY
Appledog wrote:If I were to teach you to feel your Qi, I would never talk about fascia nor would you ever come across the idea yourself. 95% of your blockages are not in the soft tissue near the surface of your body -- or the sensations during practice would be a lot different.
A fascia (/ˈfæʃ(i)ə/; plural fasciae /ˈfæʃii/; adjective fascial; from Latin: "band") is a band or sheet of connective tissue, primarily collagen, beneath the skin that attaches to, stabilizes, encloses, and separates muscles and other internal organs.[1] Fascia is classified by layer, as superficial fascia, deep fascia, and visceral or parietal fascia, or by its function and anatomical location.
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