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Fascial tension gives rise to Qi
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Sun Jan 16, 2022 9:41 amby Yeung
From: C. P. Ong, Healthcare and Sport from the Perspective of Qi, Fascia, and Taijiquan, Journal of Integrative Medicine | Volume 10 | Issue 02 | December 2021
Fascia-Qi Hypothesis Fascial tension gives rise to Qi when it is harnessed in the discipline of muscle actions. Implicit in Qi is a functional dimension that is accessed through cognitive development via a combination of sensory receptors. Cognition of fascial tension is a cultivated perceptual sensation that captures the functional effects of the discipline of body motion, specifically that of the balance factors. This bypasses mathematical analysis and leads to the art in science—the Fascia-Qi Hypothesis in Taijiquan.
The question is how to generate fascial tension to activate cognitive perception of bioenergy?
Re: Fascial tension gives rise to Qi
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Sun Jan 16, 2022 11:24 amby robert
Yeung wrote:From: C. P. Ong, Healthcare and Sport from the Perspective of Qi, Fascia, and Taijiquan, Journal of Integrative Medicine | Volume 10 | Issue 02 | December 2021
Fascia-Qi Hypothesis Fascial tension gives rise to Qi when it is harnessed in the discipline of muscle actions. Implicit in Qi is a functional dimension that is accessed through cognitive development via a combination of sensory receptors. Cognition of fascial tension is a cultivated perceptual sensation that captures the functional effects of the discipline of body motion, specifically that of the balance factors. This bypasses mathematical analysis and leads to the art in science—the Fascia-Qi Hypothesis in Taijiquan.
The question is how to generate fascial tension to activate cognitive perception of bioenergy?
It comes from being
connected. The over-arching principle in taijiquan is
one part of the body moves, every part of the body moves. If you are
connected and you use your dantian to move
lines of tension (lines of
connection) move through your body.
Re: Fascial tension gives rise to Qi
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Sun Jan 16, 2022 11:35 amby GrahamB
If anybody is interested I wrote about Qi in a blog post recently. I think there are 3 ways of looking at Qi in marital arts. This one here on the thread, I'd say, would be number 2.
https://thetaichinotebook.com/2022/01/0 ... n-tai-chi/
Re: Fascial tension gives rise to Qi
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Sun Jan 16, 2022 12:24 pmby everything
really like that post, graham.
if you want to work on "energy body" ... practically speaking, you should "fang song", not work on tension.
Re: Fascial tension gives rise to Qi
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Sun Jan 16, 2022 1:13 pmby robert
CP is not writing about muscular tension, he is using the term the way it is used in physics.
In physics, tension is described as the pulling force transmitted axially by the means of a string, a cable, chain, or similar object, or by each end of a rod, truss member, or similar three-dimensional object; tension might also be described as the action-reaction pair of forces acting at each end of said elements. Tension could be the opposite of compression.
In taiji the body needs to be
connected, this is tension.
Here are some notes from a YZD seminar.
The traditional Yang style is characterized by movements which are slow, smooth and even. The energy is retained inside the body, rather than displayed openly. It is soft outside, but hard within! This is much misunderstood. There must be real power inside, not nothing but softness.
Do not apply brute force. Brute force is stiff force. Force must be refined and skillful like a steel needle hidden in cotton. The strength is there, but not presented openly. It is implied in posture. There must be a quality of vibrancy, as opposed to listlessness.
This involves stretching out; the motion opens out. The secret is seen in the palm which is stretched out with the fingers bent but slightly open. The palm is both stretched and at the same time, relaxed. Beginners are usually either too relaxed or too stiff. This influences strength through the whole arm.
This quality (of being stretched and relaxed) permeates the whole body. This is so important – because this principle should be applied to wrist, forearm, shoulder…whole body! All shapes should have internal power, stretching power, stretching out. Eg. In Single Whip there is power channeled into the hooked fingers. (note: full flexion!)
Movements should be soft and even, but filled with internal stretching power.
Stretching out creates tension in the body. FWIW
Re: Fascial tension gives rise to Qi
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Sun Jan 16, 2022 7:02 pmby everything
ahh thanks for those very good notes.
Re: Fascial tension gives rise to Qi
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Mon Jan 17, 2022 2:13 amby Yeung
From C. P. Ong:
The art of Qi nurturing in Taijiquan cultivates the cognitive perception of the fascial tensional network in the discipline of body motion. Cognition of the functional effects of fascial tension elevates it to Qi (as force or energy), called fascia-Qi. Taijiquan practice cultivates this Qi-cognition as it is being harnessed to discipline muscle actions.
Re: Fascial tension gives rise to Qi
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Mon Jan 17, 2022 1:38 pmby everything
having "cognitive perception" of fascia seems like a good idea. most people probably have some fascia that is limiting mobility somewhere. having "cognitive perception" of qi is also a good idea.
"cognition": the mental action or process of acquiring knowledge and understanding through thought, experience, and the senses.
"perception": the ability to see, hear, or become aware of something through the senses.
so why "cognitive perception"? SMH.
it sounds like he just wants to make up abstruse phrases:
"cognitive perception"
"fascial tension network"
"discipline of body motion"
"functional effects"
"fascia-Qi"
"Qi-cognition"
"If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough."
Not sure what you are trying to find out or tell us by quoting these abstruse phrases. Perhaps you'd like to rephrase your sentence or question.
Re: Fascial tension gives rise to Qi
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Tue Jan 18, 2022 10:03 pmby yeniseri
Facial tension does not operate in a vacumn! You have the following:
a. Musculoskeletal system
b. Bones, tendons, muscles, etc
c. You gave a"liquid medium (blood) composed of acids (GI, hormones coursing through the medium, electrolytes as Calcium, mag, iron, etc
d. They all work together to produce degrees of pain, pleasure and everything in between.
Muscles and their many fibers (I, II, etc) all fire with the surrounding physiological milieu, etc. They do not operate on their own. Signal messaging being bi-directional sends these message to those areas to meter stimuli and how we react based on said stimuli
Re: Fascial tension gives rise to Qi
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Wed Jan 19, 2022 11:19 amby robert
yeniseri wrote:Facial tension does not operate in a vacumn! You have the following:
a. Musculoskeletal system
b. Bones, tendons, muscles, etc
c. You gave a"liquid medium (blood) composed of acids (GI, hormones coursing through the medium, electrolytes as Calcium, mag, iron, etc
d. They all work together to produce degrees of pain, pleasure and everything in between.
I tend to agree with CP's hypothesis, but I think there may be more at work than fascia regarding qi as sensation. I'm not a physiologist and I'm not that familiar with the workings of the nervous system so I can't really say. The 12 regular qi meridians follow the same paths as the muscle/tendon meridians - 經筋 (jingjin) and are named the same regarding yin/yang and arm/leg. Jin (筋) is often translated as sinew in taiji manuals. It's also translated as muscle/tendon. Jin (筋), the soft tissue of the musculoskeletal system, is the physical mechanism for CIMA according to the old taiji manuals. Fascia plays a role in proprioception and that seems to be an important aspect of qi in CIMA. The idea of feeling
connected, of qi circulating through the body, of feeling relaxed, guiding the body; fascia has a role. If one aspect of qi is the sensation of being
connected, then fascia is important, but I don't know to what extent we feel tendons and muscles directly.
Re: Fascial tension gives rise to Qi
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Wed Jan 19, 2022 11:44 amby Bhassler
The theory is crossing domains between an analytic model and a synthetic one without redefining either element (qi or fascia) into a common landscape. It is, in essence, comparing apples to dumptrucks. The whole thing is senseless.
Re: Fascial tension gives rise to Qi
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Wed Jan 19, 2022 11:49 amby everything
So you can slowly feel your fascial tension
And that’s what allows one to feel Qi?
Is that the idea proposed?
Serious Q: is that anyone’s actual, practical experience?
Beginners can hold an imaginary Qi ball and some can feel Qi almost immediately.
AFAIK they didn’t learn to feel fascia first. Probably never will.
It would seem hard to reject the null hypothesis.
Re: Fascial tension gives rise to Qi
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Wed Jan 19, 2022 11:50 amby Quigga
Connecting bones and tendons, compressing bones to strengthen them, smoothing and firmly connecting fascia(-bags). Yang.
Loosening muscles, circulating blood and chi, controlling the skin, water, yin.
Opening the sense gates, forgetting the 5 senses, piercing Ba Hui and void, connecting brain stem to reptilian to the rest. Shen.
Qi is just something that overlaps and flows throughout. An outer Qi body can be easily felt in big outdoor scenes. Inner Qi sensations arise plentiful via Song - letting go - watching, observing and emptying. The clearer the conduits the better the flow...
Jing - vitality. Train the pelvic floor so it can hold dynamic tension while relaxed. And actually use your body in various less and more demanding ways. Enjoy your sexuality and/or find ways to transmute it. Enjoying often is a good transmutation method in this sense. More basic oomph for all else.
Re: Fascial tension gives rise to Qi
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Wed Jan 19, 2022 11:52 amby everything
Well said. Almost could make a “song”
Re: Fascial tension gives rise to Qi
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Wed Jan 19, 2022 11:55 amby Quigga
Where is my mind~~~