origami_itto wrote:Steve James wrote:
The dao is for actually fighting.
originally a horseback weapon. Nowadays a ceremonial and dress weapon - The Saber - https://www.warhistoryonline.com/histor ... men-x.html
origami_itto wrote:Steve James wrote:
The dao is for actually fighting.
Trick wrote:origami_itto wrote:Bao wrote:
It definitely has its use, good use and its own advantages in the right context. If you don't get it, then you don't get it. I couldn't care less whatever. Just throwing out some genuine information so others won't be misguided by your ignorant BS.
I don't get it. Show me.
I am ignorant. Educate me.
Take your straight sword and show me how you fight with it.
It's a long time since it's been relevant. Prove me wrong. Show me.
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Olympic fencing - epee and foil. Or academic fencing that use sharp blades.
Trick wrote:origami_itto wrote:Steve James wrote:
The dao is for actually fighting.
originally a horseback weapon. Nowadays a ceremonial and dress weapon - The Saber - https://www.warhistoryonline.com/histor ... men-x.html
Bob wrote:http://rumsoakedfist.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&p=297594
Old discussion from the forum - Started out as a discussion of Li Jing-lin's Yang style taiji but the sword discussion followed.
Below is a post by Yuen-ming who always adds something good to the "mix":
Robert Young wrote:
At the end of this book, it lists dozens of people that learned from Li. Lots of them were students from NanJing CMA Institute, including my GM Han. The clips posted earlier are not Yang's Tai Chi Jian actually, because the moves do not match the Yang's Tai Chi Jian scripts. You can get the script from Chen Wei-Ming's book about Yang's Tai Chi. or, here http://www.embracethemoon.com/perspecti ... sword.htm/. People can google it on the internet.
Modern day Yang style sword, and by that I mean the form transmitted below Yang Chengfu, is in fact a derivation of Wudang Jian. The form was devised by Chen Weiming's group who had tight contact with General Li.
The early Taiji sword form(s) is quite different, and was passed down by a few of Banhou and Jianhou's disciples.
While it is true that most styles have sword or other weapons practice, Taijiquan weapons (traditionally) have a very specific approach and flavor so they are very different from most of the other styles. This is easy to be seen in the movement but especially in paired practice.
Wudang sword originally, as passed down by Song Weiyi, had no fixed pattern and forms were devised by some of his disciples (Li Jinglin invented some, Guo Chifeng others etc) based on their experience.
The transmission originally was very comprehensive and included neigong and various basic exercises done without the sword, including Daoist hand patterns modeled after the stars. Then single pattern sword exercises down to free-form.
LI Jinglin and some other disciples found it hard to pass the transmission in this traditional way so they modified the curriculum to match the new situation (having many students etc).
The influence of Li Jinglin's sword was enormous in Chinese martial arts, as he was an eclectic and famous pratictioner, so a lot of sword practice after his time was in a way or another influenced by him.
Actual Wudang sword nowadays is basically gone. In Taijiquan vein what remains are a few forms, nice to watch but totally useless in combat and in general to develop any skill.
YM
Steve James wrote:The difference between jians, longswords, daos, and machetes is that people are killed with machetes every day, and nobody has seen anyone killed with a jian or longsword. Well, except accidentally.
Remember the story about the 1911 .45 being developed to combat Moros who would "run amok" in the Philippines. Since, no ones had any practical experience, I'd bet that it's not so easy to stop someone with a jian. Then again, the traditional tcc jian is very flexible (yeah, same goes for "show" daos). I'm not sure that it would work well against someone armored. Otoh, a sword breaker wouldn't affect it much.
So, I'd bet that jians intended for combat would be stiffer and probably a bit shorter. I mean, true, a dao needs more space to swing. But, the blade can be held in close quarters, like half-sword. I'm not sure that jians require less space; they might need more. Anyway, for your enjoy
Steve James wrote:So, I'd bet that jians intended for combat would be stiffer and probably a bit shorter. I mean, true, a dao needs more space to swing. But, the blade can be held in close quarters, like half-sword. I'm not sure that jians require less space; they might need more. Anyway, for your enjoy
Bhassler wrote:There's as much to learn from the dao as any other weapon. It's not the tool's fault if someone doesn't know how to use it.
I'm not sure that jians require less space
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