Why thé death of master yang Cheng fu mysterious?

[Bob]

Getting back to why the death of Master Yang Cheng-Fu is still enveloped in mystery, it's likely that if the same events occurred today, a modern postmortem autopsy, combined with modern lab work analysis, would quickly identify the actual, real cause of Yang's death. There would simply be no logical consideration of rumors or hypothesis, as the results would clearly speak for themselves, unless a serious effort was made to deliberately conceal the findings.

Unfortunately there is a great mythology built around the martial art prowess of Yang Chengfu and the Yang family practice in general.

Yang Chengfu's early passing calls into question the longevity mythology built around his practice.

I was once told by a Yang Chengfu taijiquan lineage holder to NEVER call my practice Yang's taijiquan - deferring to this request I told him I would refer to it as "Yang Style Taijiquan" - he still wasn't satisfied and said I should only refer to my practice as taijiquan - at that point I simply walked away - had enough of the game LOL

[Doc Stier]

Quite so indeed. Call me old fashioned for identifying what I practice and teach by the same names my teachers did. In the case of Yang Style TCC, there are apparently almost as many different versions of the style as there are teachers of the style, so if others think the version I was taught is inferior to theirs, because it's different in form sequence or stylistic expression, that's their problem, not mine. At the end of each day, if we are happy with what we practice and the benefits of same, then it's all good, imo.

[wayne hansen]

I don’t mention peoples names without their permission
The story is true

So someone is travelling the world teaching, but only in secret? If they're putting their stuff out there, you can say their name.
It makes no sense to make an appeal to authority and then refuse to identify who that authority is. You're basically saying "I know a guy who knows a guy, and therefore I'm right."
The claim to be the #1 knife fighter is, frankly, stupid. I've never met or heard of anyone even remotely competent who would claim such a thing. If anything, referencing a legendary figure making outrageous claims who may or may not exist as proof of your argument works against you rather than for you.

When I was told he was using the Best Knife Fighter Title by his training partner my first reaction was
That’s a pretty wild thing to say

PS he is not teaching in secret he is out there quite openly
Teaching seminars ,doing podcasts teaching the law and military


He can say whatever he wants it’s me who refuses to name someone without their permission
There a lot of things I could tell about people some who are not here anymore
I just don’t because if they don’t choose to post here why would I pull them into this malestrom
I mention the incident only because is relavent to the statements I make
If you think I am making it up fine I don’t trust a lot of claims made here
If we were in the same room there would be little talking and a lot of what is stated here would be irrelavent

[Bhassler]

I don’t mention peoples names without their permission
The story is true

So someone is travelling the world teaching, but only in secret? If they're putting their stuff out there, you can say their name.
It makes no sense to make an appeal to authority and then refuse to identify who that authority is. You're basically saying "I know a guy who knows a guy, and therefore I'm right."
The claim to be the #1 knife fighter is, frankly, stupid. I've never met or heard of anyone even remotely competent who would claim such a thing. If anything, referencing a legendary figure making outrageous claims who may or may not exist as proof of your argument works against you rather than for you.

When I was told he was using the Best Knife Fighter Title by his training partner my first reaction was
That’s a pretty wild thing to say

PS he is not teaching in secret he is out there quite openly
Teaching seminars ,doing podcasts teaching the law and military


He can say whatever he wants it’s me who refuses to name someone without their permission
There a lot of things I could tell about people some who are not here anymore
I just don’t because if they don’t choose to post here why would I pull them into this malestrom
I mention the incident only because is relavent to the statements I make

Either bring them in, or don't. If you half-ass it, it's just a waste of everyone's time and adds nothing useful to the conversation.

If you think I am making it up fine I don’t trust a lot of claims made here
If we were in the same room there would be little talking and a lot of what is stated here would be irrelavent

I don't think you're making anything up, but if it's all just second and third-hand accounts with no context, there's no way to really even understand what you're saying, let alone determine if it's similar or relevant to one's own experience.
I remember your old Youtube channel. I thought it was interesting, with some stuff I could see was good, and other stuff that I didn't have enough of a shared frame of reference to know one way or another. I'm sure if we were in the same room, it could all be sorted out in moments. Since we're not in the same room, then all we can do is our best to try to make the conversation as meaningful as possible, either for ourselves or for others who may one day read it.

[wayne hansen]

Nothing changes
I say what I say and will continue to do so
I present my expierence if it’s not relavent disregard it

[origami_itto]

Wayne, is this you?

If so, could you walk us through this sword defense? thx.

[wayne hansen]

To this day I have a full head of hair

[origami_itto]

To this day I have a full head of hair

Your own or is it some kind of weird Australian trophy?

Are these friends or training partners of yours? Seems to be doing the Huang drills and is talking about folding.

[Trick]

Wayne, is this you?

If so, could you walk us through this sword defense? thx.

All these images you post, are they pics or gifs ? I suppose they’re gifs but they’re not movin for me as the ones the other frequent gif poster JW post

[origami_itto]

Wayne, is this you?

If so, could you walk us through this sword defense? thx.

All these images you post, are they pics or gifs ? I suppose they’re gifs but they’re not movin for me as the ones the other frequent gif poster JW post

That's strange. Yes they're gifs

[Giles]

Wayne, is this you?

If so, could you walk us through this sword defense? thx.

The guy on the right is, if I remember rightly, Eric Fitzgerald (?), long-time training partner of Wayne. He posted for a short while here on RSF some years ago under the name Willy Wrong, I think.
I have no connection here, I just recall earlier RSF posts by Wayne who put up some video material showing E. Fitzgerald from years ago and more recently. So I guess you can call this "RSF common knowledge".

[wayne hansen]

You are right it is Eric
However I never posted anything it was someone else
I haven’t seen him for over 30 years
The other guy Darren I have never met
He was a pushing hands champion who won 8 medals
He was a student of a student of mine
That was the first time they met
He rang me up before the meeting asking my advice
I said ware this 8 gold medals around your neck

[Giles]

Oh, I thought you had directly posted stuff showing him - my mistake.

[D_Glenn]

Is it typical in Huang style to not use your legs, at all?

In Bagua the legs are 70% of an attack meaning they should always be hooking ankles, doing various shin bites (bai and kou stepping), knee attacks, or even just stepping on an opponent’s toes to try and pin that foot (which actually can result in the worst injuries of all the leg attacks).

[origami_itto]

Wayne, is this you?

If so, could you walk us through this sword defense? thx.

All these images you post, are they pics or gifs ? I suppose they’re gifs but they’re not movin for me as the ones the other frequent gif poster JW post

This is the video I pulled it from.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AmpVeecNvbA

You are right it is Eric
However I never posted anything it was someone else
I haven’t seen him for over 30 years

Right on, so you guys learned and trained together for some time? Same teacher? Is this somewhat representative of what you do or what you consider high quality teaching, applications, drills, whatever?

Would this be what your form and push hands looks like today or has it changed since then? That would be an interesting discussion.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HylYwgaJWBI