Besides, we knew people inside the palace got the real skill. As the famous saying goes “Of Luchan’s students, Wanchun (萬春) got his hard fajin, Lingshan (凌山) was adapt as throwing, and Quanyou (全佑) was skilled at neutralization.” So these were his three best students (besides his sons of course). Wangchun, Lingshan, and Quanyou were Manchurian guards working at Prince Duan’s palace. Wangchun and Lingshan had no desciples, Quanyou today is respected as founder of Wu Style Taijiquan. According to family lore within Taiji circles, there were actually two other Manchurian students who obtained Taijiquan skill before these three, but they both perished during the invasion of Eight-Nation Alliance.
We can tell whatever Yang Luchan taught, he taught everyone the same. Banhou’s skill and training is no different from what is taught in Quan You’s lineage, or different from those of Yongnian students Yang Luchan taught before coming to Beijing. In fact, of the six big styles of Taijiquan today, all five that shared common ancestor in Yang Luchan look more or less the same, with only Chen Style looking very different.
「学而不思则罔,思而不学则殆。」
汪永泉授楊式太極拳語錄及拳照
Wang Yongquan Writings on Yang Style Tai Chi Chuan
Translated by Richard Man,
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楊式太極拳的老前輩初到北京時,教前清一些子弟練太極拳。技擊的練法不合適,只教了養生 一套練法,而把技擊的拳架教給自家的子孫和徒弟。以後社會上所流傳的楊式太極拳就是養生 的一套。但有些人忽略了內功,只追求外形;有些人要用養生的拳架去練技擊,把太極拳練得走 了樣,無奇不有。這樣既不能很好地養生,也不能用以技擊。當然在一定情況下,也可以用以 技擊,但用的只是招,沒有術。
When the Yang Elders first went to Beijing, they taught the Qing Imperials Tai Chi Chuan.
Since it was not appropriate to teach the fighting methods,
they only taught the health methods, and reserved the fighting methods to their offsprings and indoor students.
Therefore, the common Yang Style Tai Chi Chuan is the health methods. However, some people ignore the Neigong (Internal Practices), and only follow the forms; there are also people who use the “for health” forms to practice for fighting, making their Tai Chi Chuan all wrong, “nothing is too strange” {translator: anything goes}. In this way, it is no good for health, and it cannot be used for fighting.
Under this situation, when you fight, you only have the outward appearance, without the inner methods.[/code]
When Yang Luchan arrived in Beijing, he taught 10 taiji sets at the mansion of Prince Duan. These 10 sets form a complete taiji syllabus. Whilst teaching at the mansion, Yang accepted two disciples: one was Wang Lanting (whose teachings form the basis of Li [Ruidong] style taiji), the other was Fu Zhou. Both of these people were men of rank within the mansion: Wang Lanting was Prince Duan’s housekeeper, in modern terms he was responsible for the security of the House; Fu Zhou was a Manchu general with a very solid foundation in martial arts. Both of these men only became Yang Luchan’s disciples after losing to him in several challenges. And so Yang taught them these 10 original sets of Yang style taiji.
yeniseri wrote:In order for Yang Luchan to teach members of the Qing Flag Battalion(s)!, he had to be in Beijing, Additionally the historical record has stated that Yang Luchan did not expose his art to Manchus but there were quite a few who were his students.
Quanyu Wu was a main student who developed his own 'style' (pai!) so the main solution would be to see the years that he stayed or his sons taught in Beijing. He did teach quite a few Hui people and there are others whose identiy was "hidden' to the extent that it was never mentioned their "background". As we know, the current regime downplays this kind of stuff
I looked up a few sites on Baidu and Sogou and the datres are not clearly described per the time frame though they use, e.g. "ABCV was in Henan in the 5th year of Emperor X, QIng dynastyetc....o the 7 year of Dowager XV, Qing synasty
cloudz wrote:forms forms forms
different forms
that's the point!
tai chi is not 'a form'
when you get that, your long tedious search may end
please, pretty please.
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