SCMT wrote:So you're saying I was originally correct saying Changquan, which is northern, when I was told I was wrong and it was muslim. Thank You
Not a Long Fist guy beyond believing it was Northern, and it being practiced in Hebei and Beijing. Thought it originated in Shaolin, of that I am not sure, but apparently it was heavily influenced BY shaolin Kung Fu
So telling me Changquan is specifically muslin and not associate with Shaolin is then incorrect, thank you
Tom wrote:I don't think you will see the "triangle step" as you described it very much in actual sparring or fights. That's OK; most baguazhang people I talk to or have met don't have a lot of practical experience using the art combatively. Triangle stepping as a two-step process may seem to make sense in theory, but it will get you clocked by anyone attacking with real speed and strength. It's too slow. ...
As you know, baguazhang can go inside or outside in responding to an attack. Even when going outside, baguazhang stepping is more stepping by the opponent, just off the vector of attack. With either gate, though, the stepping is not really in a triangle.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=McAIR1Fp2iM&t=199s
johnwang wrote:People used the Shaolin name for comercial purpose. ...In other words, people (incude myself) may use the name "Shaolin" even if their CMA have nothing to do with it.
Formosa Neijia wrote:Just putting this out there: circle walking for me has been nearly a total waste of time. I get nothing out of it despite years wasted on it.
Formosa Neijia wrote:Tom wrote:I don't think you will see the "triangle step" as you described it very much in actual sparring or fights. That's OK; most baguazhang people I talk to or have met don't have a lot of practical experience using the art combatively. Triangle stepping as a two-step process may seem to make sense in theory, but it will get you clocked by anyone attacking with real speed and strength. It's too slow. ...
As you know, baguazhang can go inside or outside in responding to an attack. Even when going outside, baguazhang stepping is more stepping by the opponent, just off the vector of attack. With either gate, though, the stepping is not really in a triangle.
First, BGZ isn't the only art to do this by far. Most of the styles I've studied have this. It's qixingbu seven star step or tian gan (big dipper) seven star step 天罡七星步
We do this in grand ancestor white crane and most southern styles have an entire form or two devoted to it. On a side note, this was basic training back in the 80's and 90'sand now i can barely find an article about it on the internet. So much for the information age.
Second, i agree it's too slow as done by most people for the exact reason you mentioned: lack of any real sparring. The initial strike has to happen as you step offline, waiting until the step is complete makes it a two-step process and will get you clocked. That's why I suggest doing what i did and take a serious look at something like pekiti tersia kali where they have this down to a science because they spar all the time. Another side note: that guy above has some of the clearest Mandarin I've heard and it's such a pleasure not to have to pick through those heavy northern accents. thanks for the video share.
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Formosa Neijia wrote:Just putting this out there: circle walking for me has been nearly a total waste of time.
“8. Xie Chu Cheng Ru - Diagonal Leaving, Straight Entering:
With footsteps firm and stable, seek adroit movement. By advancing, retreating, turning, and shifting, seek out the enemy's path. Walking follows the triangle. The toes grip the ground. Diagonal leaving, straight entering, is wonderful and unlimited.
9. Xu Jin - Continuous Advancing:
Develop an offensive posture, the enemy can not move back. Continue advancing with strikes that are difficult to evade. Step and advance the body, then step to the front. The hands, feet, and body must be one and arrive together.
10. Lian Zhui - Continuous Chasing:
I advance. If the enemy retreats, I must follow. One step or two steps, I am continuously stepping to follow. Closely press the enemy so there is no way for him to flee. Continuously advance, victory comes in one step.”
Doc Stier wrote:Formosa Neijia wrote:Just putting this out there: circle walking for me has been nearly a total waste of time. I get nothing out of it despite years wasted on it.
Yeah, that sucks. [sarcasm] I have a few students who have had similar experiences with circle walking, despite their grueling 10-15 minute practice sessions a couple of times per week over many years time. Sadly, life is often filled with disappointment. [/sarcasm]
johnwang wrote:Formosa Neijia wrote:Just putting this out there: circle walking for me has been nearly a total waste of time.
I use the 3 steps half circle walking for arm dragging. But I always move my back foot first. I assume most Bagua people move their leading foot first.
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