wayne hansen wrote:As usual I haven’t made my point clear enough for both of u
Suggests two different steels being welded through repeated folding/forge-welding. Razor sharpness is only attainable by removing edge material after the forging and shaping is completed.Jing is like a Damascus blade folded beaten and forged until it is razor sharp
cloudz wrote:every (western) boxer has his style. some may look more similar than others.
BruceP wrote:wayne hansen wrote:As usual I haven’t made my point clear enough for both of u
My barnyard understanding of metaphors is that they're most effective when they stand on the legs of strong analogies - kinda like fighting method supported by body-method.
We're talking about tai chi body-method and how different 'alloys' either enhance or diminish the way the body will organize itself under pressure, though, right?
Someone on EF back in the day used kinda the same 'forging' metaphor to describe the development of tai chi body and martial method. The problem with yours is that it's fraught with misuse of terms (as was dude's in his notion that iron is made into hardened steel by simply hammering on it) that don't make sense in their correlation to the topic of body-method being applied under pressure. It was your referencing damascus that skewed your asserting the incompatibility of two different body-methods into a contradiction.Suggests two different steels being welded through repeated folding/forge-welding. Razor sharpness is only attainable by removing edge material after the forging and shaping is completed.Jing is like a Damascus blade folded beaten and forged until it is razor sharp
In 'missing the point' I was trying to strengthening the analogy in order to give your metaphor some proper legs.
johnwang wrote:cloudz wrote:every (western) boxer has his style. some may look more similar than others.
I prefer to say, "every (western) boxer has his flavor".
- Style is too serious.
- Flavor is less serious.
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As Mendoza wrote in his 1792 boxing manual: “The first principle to be established in Boxing is, to be perfectly master of the equilibrium of the body, so as to be able to change from a right to left-handed position; to advance or retreat striking or parrying; and to throw the body either forward or backward without difficulty or embarrassment.”
The famed Wu Tunan (also known as the Northern Star of Taijiquan) was in charge. A discussion came up, with regards to categorization of styles,leading to a great deal of controversy as to where Chen Style Taijiquan belonged. Some suggested that it belonged to the External Division. At the time, the slow and gentle nature of Yang style Taijiquan was considered the standard of Taijiquan. What Chen Fake practiced certainly did not fall fall into this category.
Others countered that it is, after all, called Chen Style Taijiquan, so it should be included as part of the Internal Division. Master Wu Tunan did not concur. He felt that Chen Style should be treated as an external style, similar to Shaolin.
Someone turned to Chen Fake, Master Chen, you are the standard bearer of the Chen Family, is it external or internal?
I was never able to really develop fajin with Yang style, and feel that with Chen style I am a lot closer and have developed more power. However, I can't seem to get the same "meditative" feeling when doing Chen style as I do with Yang.
I guess I am wondering what your experiences are in doing both. I'm not trying to start a war here, as I see the benefits of both, just wondering if they unite at some point down the path, or should be treated as separate.
windwalker wrote:Kinda strange...MMA fighters listed by name regardless of method, CMA fighters listed by style regardless of name....
everything wrote:no longer sure what this thread is about, lol. in the capoeira fighter vid I posted in the video links section, that guy does "mma style" (boxing, wrestling, jiu-jitsu) but with some "capoeira flavor". he adds some dance moves, back flips, super man punch after bouncing off the fence, but more and more his style seems to have gone to more "efficiency" without losing the "flavor" altogether.
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