cloudz wrote:
what's quite amazing is how ' pure' it is. I mean just unencumbered; you would almost think it's trained and refined and it's disproportionate too.
the taoists were onto something. when a baby grips and squeezes your finger it just feels so connected like it's coming from the centre. If you want to feel mind and chi.. feel a babies strength..
our physical development encumbers us, dulls the emanation of our force, hence why an art that softens us back up can be so productive in this respect.
everything wrote:cloudz wrote:
what's quite amazing is how ' pure' it is. I mean just unencumbered; you would almost think it's trained and refined and it's disproportionate too.
the taoists were onto something. when a baby grips and squeezes your finger it just feels so connected like it's coming from the centre. If you want to feel mind and chi.. feel a babies strength..
our physical development encumbers us, dulls the emanation of our force, hence why an art that softens us back up can be so productive in this respect.
this grip from babies is always interesting. adults just don't seem to have it. maybe with a lot of training, we can get close again.
it seems a bit contradictory, doesn't it? are we trying through "refinement" to get "natural" power? maybe a stick, adhere, follow
Palmar grasp reflex (or grasp reflex) is a primitive and involuntary reflex found in infants of humans, most primates, and domesticated felines.
When an object, such as an adult finger, is placed in an infant's palm, the infant's fingers reflexively grasp the object.
[1] Kittens and adult cats will grasp a finger placed in the palm (leather pad area) of the paw.
[1b] Placement of the object triggers a spinal reflex, resulting from stimulation of tendons in the palm, that gets transmitted through motor neurons in the median and ulnar sensory nerves.[2][3]
The reverse motion can be induced by stroking the back or side of the hand.
[3] A fetus exhibits the reflex in utero by 28 weeks into gestation (sometimes, as early as 16 weeks[4]),[5][6][7] and persists until development of rudimentary fine motor skills between two to six months of age.[1][8][9][10]
johnwang wrote:If babies have Jin then why do we need to train MA for?
If the definition of Jin is body unification, babies don't have Jin.
Human body is like 3 separate springs.
- Without training, each spring compress by itself and release by itself.
- With training, all 3 springs can be compressed at the same time, and also released at the same time.
jbb73 wrote:What's jin?
Some people understand jin as a kind of natural alignment and force, unhindered by restrictions of education and socialization.
In this view, we "simply" have to remove what was added to us when we grew up. This view fits with statements in the Daodejing and for example Bruce Lee's "at the beginning a punch is only a punch, then a punch is more than a punch, and at the end the punch is again simply a punch".
Others understand jin as a kind of cultivated force. In that view we have to remove also the bodily restrictions of education and socialization - but then we have to establish a "second nature", which fits also with the principles of the Daodejing or Yin and Yang, but which must be hardly gained and be cultivated.
For me the second view is the essential view with regards to "traditional/internal" Chineses Martial Arts.
(Which says for itself nothing about practicability for "the street and real fights".)
Which means: No, babys don't have jin in the second sense, but in the first sense.
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