using your ima in non-combat sports

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using your ima in non-combat sports

Postby everything on Sat Sep 17, 2022 5:13 pm

have you been doing this? how? how not?
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Re: using your ima in non-combat sports

Postby Taste of Death on Tue Sep 20, 2022 4:39 pm

Certain sports require a "no mind/be in the moment" approach. Thinking too much gets in the way of a lot of things. The phrase "playing out of his/her mind" is evidence of that. But can you repeat it? Linsanity comes to mind, but there are others who continually are able to block out all distractions and perform. Some athletes run the play as called and others improvise based on the situation. American football players Barry Sanders and Gayle Sayers were great improvisers while basketball player Reggie Miller could not create his own shot. One other thing I have learned from CIMA is never overcomitting. Be adaptable in all situations.
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Re: using your ima in non-combat sports

Postby yeniseri on Tue Sep 20, 2022 5:54 pm

I do not know the extent of this but balance and eye-hand coordination has helped me in numerous situations.
One time I passed a driver on the road who was appearing to slow down so I sped up but he attenmpted to cause an accident so I kept driving looking straight ahead in my vehicle without maintaining contact but when I saw a police car
enter my peripheral vision, I stayed about 3 car lengths behind the cruiser until the driver disappeared. A few times, I almost fell down and up stairs but I was able to maintain my balance without falling despite feeling that I was off balance.

The subtlety of IMA appears useless at times because it is difficult to objectify but I am aware that I am a "better person" based on my actions and behavioural inclincation, even according to my own illusions of stupidity ;D
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Re: using your ima in non-combat sports

Postby everything on Tue Sep 20, 2022 8:45 pm

for car crash or accident avoidance type stuff, people say they experience time dilation where time seems to slow down.

lately if I attempt to play goalie at soccer(football), I tell myself to deliberately "see the play in slow motion". this seems to make me pay a little closer attention to the tiny shifts. i'm looking for cues such as someone lifting a leg (prep to kick). then i try to make a small move L or R or whatever. If I don't tell myself that, I think I really don't experience that moment as "slowly" as I'm not trying to process as many detailed motions. also, since i'm not really a keeper, none of these things are habits/internalized. I have to "try hard".

I guess it’s meditation or mindfulness in those small moments
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Re: using your ima in non-combat sports

Postby everything on Wed Sep 21, 2022 11:49 am

the other day I used "Kao" to shoulder charge and knock my opponent off balance in casual soccer(football). it was easy to do since he was mostly on one leg (other foot manipulating the ball). no dead angle or anything like that needed to get max leverage. my teammates were saying "physically push him" so it was simplest to use kao. The guy knocked off balance thought it was really good and legal push and asked me if I'd been lifting weights. I wouldn't be able to go into a long explanation about tai chi blah blah blah. It definitely disrupted him enough to not be able to pass or dribble because he was spending a second to regain balance.

OTOH there's a big guy who will use kao all the time on purpose and just because he's big, so if you bump into him, you probably bounce off. his on purpose kao doesn't really work on me, not because I have any "internal power" or moving root. it's just easy to read it and yield slightly by de-tensing enough while keeping as one unit and just "bounce" off him an inch and keep going. you can tell he thinks it would off balance me, so he's more disrupted his kao doesn't work. imho anyone who does some tai chi as an "external" art with no "internal power" would be fine in this situation. but ideally I'd have some "internal" and handle it more smoothly.
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Re: using your ima in non-combat sports

Postby Steve James on Wed Sep 21, 2022 12:01 pm

Usually, people ask the opposite question: "Does doing external sports hurt someone's tcc?" I think the answer is that training tcc (or ima/ema) will always help one's other activities (running, swimming, cycling, etc).
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Re: using your ima in non-combat sports

Postby everything on Wed Sep 21, 2022 1:22 pm

I would claim I do tcc only so-so, with no "internal", and it still has made me do any sport better (all mediocre, but...).
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Re: using your ima in non-combat sports

Postby vadaga on Thu Sep 29, 2022 3:40 am

I try to be very 'relaxed' when running, biking, climbing, swimming etc.
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Re: using your ima in non-combat sports

Postby GrahamB on Thu Sep 29, 2022 4:02 am

I have beng chuaned every member of my local darts team. Now they don't want me to play anymore. I don't understand why.
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Re: using your ima in non-combat sports

Postby marvin8 on Thu Sep 29, 2022 2:12 pm

everything wrote:I would claim I do tcc only so-so, with no "internal", and it still has made me do any sport better (all mediocre, but...).

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Re: using your ima in non-combat sports

Postby Trip on Thu Sep 29, 2022 2:53 pm

How Bruce Lee's Protégé Helped the Dallas Cowboys Win a Super Bowl and Changed the NFL

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna803546

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"How Dan Inosanto Helped the Dallas Cowboys Win a Super Bowl and Changed the NFL

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Dan Inosanto ran a secret martial arts training program for the Dallas Cowboys in 1977. The team would go on to win the 1978 Super Bowl.


“Martial arts is all-inclusive, not only in close range contact but also evasive actions,” Ward, 84, said. “[It’s] a comprehensive art and science of all human movement, especially Bruce Lee’s [style]. You’d have to be blind not to see the value when you see the performance application on the field.”


One of the defensive lineman who benefited was Randy White, then a newcomer to the Cowboys — and to martial arts.

“About that time, the rules changed in the NFL where the offensive linemen had a lot more liberty to use their hands, and so a lot of the pass-rush techniques that were effective in the past were no longer effective,” White, 64, recalled. “Nobody had really heard of martial arts and football. Nobody had ever really put the two together and make it work.”
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