An intersection of the straight and curved..

[windwalker]

Professor Cheng is said to have considered “Single Whip” to be one of the most important movements to practice and cited seeking the straight from the curve when describing this movement.2

In the martial application of “Single Whip,” your right wrist contacts the outside of the opponent’s incoming striking left wrist.

Your hand drapes over his left wrist, circles his incoming arm out to his left, and then strikes him in a straight-line motion (the straight from the curve).

I can’t think of any other movement in the form that does that. “Single Whip” is truly unique and whip-like when done as a fajin. Parting the “Wild Horse’s Mane” is somewhat similar when done as I was taught by Sam Chin Fan-siong.

https://www.chuckrowtaichi.com/StraightFromCurve.html

Interesting apps,,,for single whip...

Our way a little different...more about controlling the space, either before or at the point of contact.

[windwalker]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1At80- ... E9&index=2

starting at 8:00


Adam shows a similar usage to what we practice, using "brushing " to set up the movement...for single whip...

Using this application, it can be used for controlling neck setting up for a throw, or braking the elbow joint...

Interesting in watching the clip....
not the one I wanted to share, less controversial then other clips showing the application done using more of an inner dynamics approach.


haha, note:

Do not agree with what Adam mentioned, having to know "long fist" to understand taiji

Long fist is not taiji.

Adam, has a long back ground in CMA, in many styles...very nice guy, high skill level
was teaching 8-steps mantis when I last met him long ago...

[Steve James]

The two Adams have different approaches, fer sure.

[windwalker]

The two Adams have different approaches, fer sure.

Yes they do,,,,

[Bob]

Adam. Hsu is a sharp practitioner who almost always cuts his own path - sort of iconoclastic

[Doc Stier]

Various hypothetical technique applications of martial art form set postures have always been many among different practitioners and teachers. Some appear to be potentially effective and believable, while others are merely highly imaginative and defy practical credibility.

In either case, most supposed fighting applications are rarely, if ever, seen performed in actual realtime personal combat scenarios, even by those who are acclaimed as top experts of their respective styles.

Thus, debate regarding the efficacy of any specific form application usually amounts to nothing more than an intellectual exercise of very little value to anyone, imo.

[wayne hansen]

Correct form application teaches the mode of movement of a particular style
It is not moves you should use in actual combat
It is the WAY you should move in combat
If you don’t learn the Shen fa you don’t learn the style and you can’t apply it in combat

[windwalker]

Correct form application teaches the mode of movement of a particular style
It is not moves you should use in actual combat
It is the WAY you should move in combat
If you don’t learn the Shen fa you don’t learn the style and you can’t apply it in combat

seems only apply to CMA....

All other arts, methods ect....

are used the way they are practiced, and identifiable as such.....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWEW9SfI5xg

Seoi-nage as practiced




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qy0-Dt9mPiI
"spinning back kick and devestating ippon seoi nage"

As used,

Looks the same, not "similar"

[Doc Stier]

Some CMA practitioners also maintain the same shen-fa and the same stylistic expression in actual fighting as they do in their solo forms and drills training. As such, it is fairly easy to identify their style when seeing them fight.Traditionally, that has always been one of the primary goals in every style or system.

Sadly, in this era of MMA popularity, blending a combination of different methods has made the achievement of individual style proficiency to that level of expertise less of a priority or a non-priority altogether.

[wayne hansen]

I have yet to come across a martial art where correct form and practicing application are not paramount
Can u name one for me
Those from tai chi that move the same way in combat isn’t a problem unless their form is deficient

[marvin8]

Various hypothetical technique applications of martial art form set postures have always been many among different practitioners and teachers. Some appear to be potentially effective and believable, while others are merely highly imaginative and defy practical credibility.

In either case, most supposed fighting applications are rarely, if ever, seen performed in actual realtime personal combat scenarios, even by those who are acclaimed as top experts of their respective styles.

Thus, debate regarding the efficacy of any specific form application usually amounts to nothing more than an intellectual exercise of very little value to anyone, imo.

In Crawford vs Brook, Crawford performs similar to Mizner's SW fighting application in an actual fight. Crawford uses general (not taijiquan) meaning skills (yin, ting, na, hua, fa, zhan, nian, lian and sui) and the lead cross jab to finish Brook. Crawford uses small movements, quick transitions to lure, time and intercept Brook's similar to lu/ji movements:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHNzmtEh7P0&t=11m1s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvq6z3teJmM&t=2m54s

[windwalker]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1At80- ... E9&index=3


2:00


"no - thats non-Chinese"

simple direct

[windwalker]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dA5-Q6wALTg

example

Some of the mantis movements practiced in Korea...
Quite distinct, it would not occur to me to use it as an example of say "boxing"
claiming the movements were similar done for the same reasons.

On a boxing forum.....

[everything]

ha well maybe
- if you "see" it without feeling it, it's a bit baffling. it's easiest to "look" for something. "seeing is believing" supposedly.
- there seem to be layers, so the "outer" layers still seem useful with no "inside". those may look quite like something else. diagonal flying for example. I'd argue Machida's favorite throw looks superficially similar. can any of us do that? yeah, I think so. can we do it with peng, an, lie, zhan, nian, lian, sui, fangsong? I don't know.

[windwalker]

Some CMA practitioners also maintain the same shen-fa and the same stylistic expression in actual fighting as they do in their solo forms and drills training. As such, it is fairly easy to identify their style when seeing them fight.Traditionally, that has always been one of the primary goals in every style or system.

Sadly, in this era of MMA popularity, blending a combination of different methods has made the achievement of individual style proficiency to that level of expertise less of a priority or a non-priority altogether.

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