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Re: Online courses

Postby windwalker on Mon Nov 07, 2022 9:04 am

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Re: Online courses

Postby Bao on Mon Nov 07, 2022 9:16 am

RobP3 wrote:Maybe he is doing that in order to look at and emphasise the foot he is moving in an instructional context. Just a thought. ::)


Doesn't matter. The head is important, an instructor should be clear about how it should be kept. He is not fooling around with any other part of his body or is he? So why should he move around his head?
You know, "Monkey see, monkey do." (And I am NOT implying that Graham is a monkey... ;D )
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Re: Online courses

Postby RobP3 on Mon Nov 07, 2022 9:25 am

Bao wrote:
RobP3 wrote:Maybe he is doing that in order to look at and emphasise the foot he is moving in an instructional context. Just a thought. ::)


Doesn't matter. The head is important, an instructor should be clear about how it should be kept. He is not fooling around with any other part of his body or is he? So why should he move around his head?
You know, "Monkey see, monkey do." (And I am NOT implying that Graham is a monkey... ;D )


I'm guessing it's made clear in the main instructions. I notice that people who teach often stop in various postures too. Breaks the flow, another mistake,
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Re: Online courses

Postby GrahamB on Mon Nov 07, 2022 9:27 am

It's fine for beginners to look at their feet to check they are pointing in the right direction.
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Re: Online courses

Postby Steve James on Mon Nov 07, 2022 10:17 am

GrahamB wrote:It's fine for beginners to look at their feet to check they are pointing in the right direction.


Agreed; an absolute beginner has to be told where their feet should be placed, and the beginner will have to check. But, I agree with Bao that doing so misplaces the head (affecting balance) and is completely useless in any application context. To me, it's like the first instruction one gives someone who's learning to dance. Don't look at the feet; the mind has to guide them. Anyway, some schools just teach/practice the stances/steps before teaching a form.
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Re: Online courses

Postby everything on Mon Nov 07, 2022 1:12 pm

Do they need to be free? In his same time zone? What benefits is he seeking from what he says or what you gather? For example, is he looking for "the real" and "martial"? Or looking for health? Just randomly searched and the Liang De Hua one would be interesting to me. Not sure about him.

I thought maybe my mom could take an online class, but it'd be more like "balance for seniors" and meditation kind of benefits. She already has various exercise classes, so I don't think she would go for it. She would def not be interested in martial arts aspects.
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Re: Online courses

Postby wayne hansen on Mon Nov 07, 2022 1:23 pm

Cost is not a problem
Like most beginners he dosent know what his goals are
The more complete the better
People on this site have talked about doing these courses
That’s why I asked what people got out of it and what are the best parts
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Re: Online courses

Postby Bao on Mon Nov 07, 2022 5:12 pm

Steve James wrote: that doing so misplaces the head (affecting balance) and is completely useless in any application context.


It doesn't make sense and is useless whatever you speak about. It destroys the whole structure. Then there's no flow, no qi, no jin, no nothing. If you go through a form and do like that, you destroy everything you've built up through your movements and must start again.

To me, it's like the first instruction one gives someone who's learning to dance. Don't look at the feet; the mind has to guide them.


Exactly, when you learn dance you never compromise your posture, you always keep the whole back and neck straight.
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Re: Online courses

Postby Bob on Mon Nov 07, 2022 6:47 pm

https://www.internalartsinternational.com/

You can look over the material from Tom Bisio's organization if you have an interest in bagua.

First you can learn the on-line material then attend some of the weekend workshops or the 1 week summer camps that he was holding (prior to the pandemic).

I have absolutely no affiliation with Tom Bisio or his organization but I really like what he has done and his material is very good.

In the early 1990s I tried hard, with my teacher, to develop a set of bajiquan/pigua zhang instructional dvds - then hold bajiquan/pigua zhang summer camps or quarterly workshops where those who have purchased the dvds can come in, for minimal fee, and have their materials checked and corrections made. Or if a group of students had purchased the material then we could try to arrange a workshop in their area.

Unfortunately it just never worked out and to this day I think a great bajiquan/pigua zhang opportunity was missed.

This was, of course before the long distance technology platforms were readily available.

I had that experience with the late Jou Tsung Hwa's material from the Tai Chi Farm - at that time, no one at our school was interested in learning Chen Style Taijiquan so I did a week session for 4 summers to learn Chen Style Taijiquan (years later my teacher taught it in class when there was enough interest). However, we were lucky in that Jou Tsung Hwa would let us tape him so we had material to take home and practice with.

Now the technology is so advanced it would be more feasible to try this as I see Bisio's organization is doing - I also think his material is very decent.

I guess there are a "1,000 ways to skin a cat" but it's hard to stay motivated on your own as a beginner.

It also depends on what you are really interested in - if it's self defense and you really want that context and can find no martial arts in your area, take a year of boxing and wrestling. And if none of that is available, move to a state where you have conceal and carry, take some arms training, find a shooting range and bingo you got it - In fact I think conceal doesn't even hold where I live and you don't even need certification training - about 60% of the guys I trained with personally also carry too. It's a tough world out there LOL

Good luck!

Below is sample of what Bisio's organization is doing:

https://www.internalartsinternational.c ... nal-level/

Authentic Ba Gua Zhang Distance Learning Program
Foundational Level Curriculum

The lessons included in Authentic Ba Gua Zhang Distance Learning Program

Ba Gua Yin Yang Meridian Patting Nei Gong
The starting point for learning Ba Gua Zhang. An important precursor to more advanced energetic and martial practices.

The Six Qi Cultivation Exercises
Develop power and sensitivity through these subtle, yet profound internal exercises.

Ba Gua’s 12 Standing Postures
The 12 standing postures are critical to developing “Sinew Strength” and the strong foundation necessary for true achievement in Ba Gua Zhang.

Foundational Partner Exercises
Partner drills that develop power, distancing and timing.

Applications of Circle Walking Nei Gong
Self-defense applications based on body alignment, internal transformation and footwork.Lead the opponent into emptiness and seize their root.

Dao Yin Exercises
A simple yet powerful daily routine that regulates the body’s Qi Dynamic, thereby promoting health and longevity.

Basic Zhan Zhuang (Post Standing)
This form of “Standing Meditation” is the key to integrating the body and developing “whole body power.”

The 28 Foundational Exercises (Ji Ben Gong)
The fundamental building blocks of the art. Each exercise has a specific purpose that operates on a physical, energetic and martial level.

Ba Gua Circle Walking Nei Gong
A profound practice that is the foundation of Ba Gua’s unique footwork and the basis of Ba Gua Zhang as a martial art.

Surprise add-on to the program
Surprise add-ons are extra materials that help explicate various facets of the Program – PDF’s, audio recordings, Q & A applications.
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https://www.internalartsinternational.c ... 8-19-2023/

Xing Yi/Ba Gua Training Weekend in Stamford, CT with Tom Bisio & Valerie Ghent – Feb. 18-19 2023
Internal Arts International Ba Gua/Xing Yi Intensive Training Weekend February 18-19, 2023 Our last Xing Yi/Ba Gua seminar in Stamford went so well we are offering another intensive weekend to …
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Re: Online courses

Postby yeniseri on Mon Nov 07, 2022 7:15 pm

I would recommend people who teach CMA (whether martial, fitness or welbeing) to take at least 1 course pertaining to FItness on a basic level because many have no knowledge to safely even consider teaching in a public space i.e.outside the park, or other facility. If teaching forr organizations of the public kind, other than your CMA skill, you would need a broad base of fitness fundamentals to explain your programme for inclusion in sad environment.

National Academy of Sports Medicine (NASM)
https://www.nasm.org/about-nasm

American College of Sports Medicine (ACSM): Which certification is good for you?)
https://www.acsm.org/certification/get-certified

ACE American Council on Exercise
https://www.acefitness.org/fitness-cert ... fault.aspx
Medical Exercise Specialist as example

It gives a higher marketing value with CMA skill while allowing an entrbnce into the greater fitness/wellbeing space depending on your motivation, goals and presence.
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Re: Online courses

Postby phil b on Tue Nov 08, 2022 12:29 am

Byron (Wushutiger) has Xing I Quan and Ba Gua Zhang online. He has the 10 minute primer series as an taster for the material he teaches. I am not a member of his courses, but I do think the primer series is quite a good way to see if the approach fits. If it doesn't suit, your friend has lost nothing.
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Re: Online courses

Postby Sajite on Tue Nov 08, 2022 2:08 am

https://mychowgar.com/

They have a free short course where he can try and decide.
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Re: Online courses

Postby Bob on Tue Nov 08, 2022 2:54 am

Strong ditto on Byron's material - xing yi primers extremely helpful.

His teacher is excellent.
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Re: Online courses

Postby wayne hansen on Tue Nov 08, 2022 3:12 am

Having had quite a bit to do with Chow Gar I feel it would be quite hard to get the essence on line
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Re: Online courses

Postby Sajite on Tue Nov 08, 2022 11:42 am

I don't see other arts being easier to grasp.
All depends on your goals. To me is very good strengthing exercise. True is that got the chance to get personal instruction several times during the year and that makes it easier. This and the fact that I dont have
too ambitious goals makes it all right for me at this point.
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