wayne hansen wrote:A bit to scientific for a simple man like me
Not 5 directions but 5 gates
Kelley Graham wrote:To my view, the interesting aspect of TaiChiChuan is that you accept the force coming in. You never say no to whatever the opponent wants to do. As the force begins to touch your center(s) they slide around on the inside. Very small displacement. It takes what feels like 4oz to affect any center. If more than 4oz lands, oops. This requires great, yeah, I’ll say it, internal strength and very specific mental focus and physical conditioning
Bao wrote:Kelley Graham wrote:To my view, the interesting aspect of TaiChiChuan is that you accept the force coming in. You never say no to whatever the opponent wants to do....
Sure, this works against unskilled people in a PH setting. Easily.
However, if you let skilled people close inside your own space, letting them touch your center, you can't expect your opponent to do nothing. When you change, they will adapt to your change and change accordingly. A good player always thinks ahead and understand the opponent's possible response to an action.
If you play PH against skilled people or if you spar against someone with a reasonable speed, it's different. Then you can't afford waiting to do something until they occupy your space. Instead, you need to know how to follow and adapt even on distance. At distance, as soon as your opponent move and change, you should be aware about it and adapt to the change accordingly.
This is what the classics mean by: "If my opponent moves slightly, I move first." You need to be aware of every slight move your opponent does and have an understanding of distance and angle. You need to not only understand close PH range, or "grappling range" but also know how to adapt to your opponent within "punching range" and from a "kicking range" distance.
Generally speaking, the biggest problem I see with Tai Chi people is that many only think about actual use of tai chi from a push hands perspective. If you want your tai chi to work in fighting/combat situations, you really need to be able to bring your tai chi and your whole thinking outside of this bubble.
marvin8 wrote:Lopez starts with weight loaded on the back foot. Commey tries to punch Lopez's head located on the back foot. However, Lopez moves his head to over the front foot—simultaneously slipping Commey's punch and knocking down Commey:
wayne hansen wrote:Who is Lopez
Quigga wrote:Hey Kelly, that's very interesting. Are you saying that in the past, people trained with a literal bull? That would be pretty hardcore.
If more than 4 oz touches any of your centers, you failed to yield properly?
Re separating muscles and bones - how does that work together with the classic requirement of uniting tendons/fascia and bones?
Kind thanks.
marvin8 wrote:Can anyone explain (besides myself) how the push hands positions/circle (e.g., lu/ji), weight shifts, stepping, timing and/or fighting skills enabled Lopez to land his right hand? It's more of an objective (math/physics) answer. (I will add that Lopez could have slipped the punch then pushed, instead.)
Appledog wrote:marvin8 wrote:Can anyone explain (besides myself) how the push hands positions/circle (e.g., lu/ji), weight shifts, stepping, timing and/or fighting skills enabled Lopez to land his right hand? It's more of an objective (math/physics) answer. (I will add that Lopez could have slipped the punch then pushed, instead.)
I don't understand how to answer your question. I keep running through push hands positions in my mind and trying to understand how any of them could be applied to this fight. If you are talking about finding an opening in the opponent's position after establishing a bridge, feeling it out, etc. that is not the thing that is being trained in tai chi push hands. If you mean wing chun sticky hands, maybe, but in the video I don't see any contact being made; he 'telegraphs' the movement with a giant hop and then punches him in the face. Peng and lu can't be used because there's no touch feedback from the opponent.
Appledog wrote:Now I am not an MMA fighter but to me it looks like he saw an opening and got a lucky strike. He probably had his eye on the right hand after all those left jabs and was just waiting to counter. Just a guess.
marvin8 wrote:I'm talking about push hands (sort of) without contact.
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