if you were able to study the Big 3 from scratch

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if you were able to study the Big 3 from scratch

Postby everything on Mon Dec 26, 2022 9:13 am

or have someone study these, esp from a young age...

would you most likely start with xingyiquan (seemingly the most "simple")?

then would you continue with taijiquan or baguazhang?

why?
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Re: if you were able to study the Big 3 from scratch

Postby origami_itto on Mon Dec 26, 2022 9:14 am

I'd get started with taijiquan sooner
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Re: if you were able to study the Big 3 from scratch

Postby everything on Mon Dec 26, 2022 9:36 am

taijiquan strikes me as the most difficult.

if we oversimplify:
- pick up any long stick, and "5 elements" xingyiquan almost seems self-explaining.
- baguazhang ... add more circularity from there.
- taijiquan ... confusing as all hell. nobody on an enthusiast forum can even explain it in a way that anyone else will agree. ;D
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Re: if you were able to study the Big 3 from scratch

Postby Appledog on Mon Dec 26, 2022 10:36 am

If I had to start from scratch and, assuming that quality instruction was available in each, I would try and pick the teacher I liked the most and stick with that teacher for the whole time.

I believe that you choose a teacher, and not a style.
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Re: if you were able to study the Big 3 from scratch

Postby johnwang on Mon Dec 26, 2022 1:42 pm

everything wrote:from a young age...

When you were young, your body need to go through maximum body stretching training. I don't believe big 3 can offer you enough.

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Re: if you were able to study the Big 3 from scratch

Postby KongFuGongFu on Mon Dec 26, 2022 4:05 pm

Right now I do have a particular interest in Baguazhang, so maybe that, followed closely by Xingyi. But mostly because I'm hearing about how the training, as with Xingyi, is pretty deep, and I would have loved to start earlier with that deep kind of training :). That kind of training seems more accessible than what I think is the equivalent in Chen Taiji. Plus those arts have a bit more movement I think.

Appledog wrote:I believe that you choose a teacher, and not a style.


Agreeable, but surely this kind of understanding comes from a considerable period of practice? Of course everyone is different but the beginning stages are so fraught with misunderstanding... we're bound to choose something out of some kind of uninformed perspective.

So how much "from scratch" are we getting here?
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Re: if you were able to study the Big 3 from scratch

Postby origami_itto on Mon Dec 26, 2022 4:12 pm

everything wrote:taijiquan strikes me as the most difficult.

if we oversimplify:
- pick up any long stick, and "5 elements" xingyiquan almost seems self-explaining.
- baguazhang ... add more circularity from there.
- taijiquan ... confusing as all hell. nobody on an enthusiast forum can even explain it in a way that anyone else will agree. ;D

I dunno, why waste time with anything but the best?
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Re: if you were able to study the Big 3 from scratch

Postby wayne hansen on Mon Dec 26, 2022 4:16 pm

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Re: if you were able to study the Big 3 from scratch

Postby everything on Mon Dec 26, 2022 4:49 pm

KongFuGongFu wrote:
So how much "from scratch" are we getting here?


lol, I don't know. it's hypothetical so up to the answerer I suppose.
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Re: if you were able to study the Big 3 from scratch

Postby everything on Mon Dec 26, 2022 4:50 pm

origami_itto wrote:
I dunno, why waste time with anything but the best?


haha yeah
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Re: if you were able to study the Big 3 from scratch

Postby Quigga on Tue Dec 27, 2022 2:10 am

Seeing as some young ones literally tried to run away or even kill themselves bc the training was too harsh... None at all lol.

Kids should be allowed to kids. But times were different back then and are different now. Child labor sucks.

Some practices were only possible starting from a very young age though, and if those arts literally were your career, retirement, health and life insurance in a war torn country, things change a bit...

I'd probably take Bagua then transition to Tai Chi.
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Re: if you were able to study the Big 3 from scratch

Postby everything on Tue Dec 27, 2022 7:35 am

no xingyi?
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Re: if you were able to study the Big 3 from scratch

Postby Quigga on Tue Dec 27, 2022 11:13 am

Ooops. Too much whisky
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Re: if you were able to study the Big 3 from scratch

Postby everything on Tue Dec 27, 2022 11:37 am

what is the Question?
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Re: if you were able to study the Big 3 from scratch

Postby Quigga on Tue Dec 27, 2022 11:10 pm

No idea :o
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