Curious about height and names in tcc

[wayne hansen]

If you want to understand carry tiger you must compare it to fist under elbow
They show two opposing sets of principles

[Bao]

Still, how does the tiger get the full tummy after cross hands. Or, are the form sections meals?

Ask the tiger, lol!

From where does the fair lady get her shuttle? Why does the snake creep down? How did the monkey react when you repulsed it? What is the sound of one hand clapping?
Oh, so many questions....

If the movement is just a slanted BKTS, why the metaphor?

I have never thought about the movement as a slanted BKTS. The energy in "tiger return..." is very different.

Explaining it by saying it had a full tummy is like saying it was satiated. After a meal, tigers lie down to sleep.

Lying down and sleep is bad? What do you want it to do? Tap dance? But it has its shoes in its cave. You need to let it return home first.

[johnwang]

Afa Embrace or Well Tiger, I'm asking for a similar explanation of why "Well Fed." I understand the character is used, and I'm asking why? It doesn't matter whether there's a disagreement or not. I'm hoping to learn something.

At 0.47 - 0.50 (the end of the part 1 and the begin of the part 2) from a horse stance cross hands posture, he starts to move his right leg, right hand, and then left hand. Does it look like a tiger starts to move it's 3 legs after eating from a static posture?

[johnwang]

lol "well fed" is a sort of homophone joke. I assume johnwang is just being funny, and it's not a running joke since (pick your historical figure)

bao4 vs. bao3

The term "well fed" was used by

Yang Jian-Hou -> Li Jing- Lin -> Chang Tung Sheng -> John Wang

Another wrong name that is used in Taiji is

"Shoulder extend to the arm" vs. "Move arm like a fan". In written, these 2 characters looks alike.

扇 - Shan
肩 - Jian

The Taiwan Taiji community had debated these 2 issues for more than 60 years.

[Steve James]

Does it look like a tiger starts to move it's 3 legs after eating from a static posture?

I really can't say yes.

I think the main difference in interpretations is whether it's the "tiger" moving or whether someone/thing is moving the tiger. Both, in reality, may be unlikely.

Btw, afa lineage names, the "Yangfamily" (in this case Yang Jun's) list shows: 抱虎归山 Bào hǔ guī shān which they translate to "Embrace the Tiger and Return to Mountain." The translation may not be correct, but why would they keep it?

[johnwang]

Why does the snake creep down?

She Shen - 蛇身
She Shen - 舍身

She Shen - 舍身 is used in my Taiji system. When you drop low to execute a firemen's carry, you have to be willing to drop your body low (change levels in MMA term).

[johnwang]

Well, it's not the wrong name, depending on the intended application -which can be 'embrace' or 'carry.'

If we compare "Well-fed tiger return back to mountain" vs. "Embrace tiger return back to mountain", we should also look at the word "return". If you pick up a tiger, why do you want to carry it back to mountain? Are you going to bring that tiger back to it's cave? For what reason?

[everything]

really interesting.

here is someone's application example


not sure I follow the animal explanations in any case

[Steve James]

Are you going to bring that tiger back to it's cave? For what reason?

Well, for ex., in everything's example, the opponent is the tiger. I'd want to tiger to go back home.

[Steve James]

Here's another application idea:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awsBcO-5v8c

[origami_itto]

Here's another application idea:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awsBcO-5v8c

Yep that's the one. It's pretty much as Dong Ying Jie and Yang Cheng Fu describe in their books.

Got some video but don't need it now do we.

[wayne hansen]

I hope there are some better versions than that around

[origami_itto]

I hope there are some better versions than that around

Here's my poor attempt.

[Bao]

Yeah, lift his leg a bit more and press down his head more and you definitely make his head go first and hard into the ground. That is what I said – smash his skull.
You even argue with me and say I misunderstand when I agree. Jeez...

But thank you for the clip. Actually I feel very moved, can't believe you made so much effort just for me.

[origami_itto]

Yeah, lift his leg a bit more and press down his head more and you definitely make his head go first and hard into the ground. That is what I said – smash his skull.
You even argue with me and say I misunderstand when I agree. Jeez...

But thank you for the clip. Actually I feel very moved, can't believe you made so much effort just for me.

I guess I'm confused about your disagreement thenm.

There's always something poetic about crushed skulls. But as all of the postures have many possible applications, your explanation doesn’t really add up. The main idea of carrying or throwing a tiger doesn’t make sense. I am with John in this case.

You embrace the tiger to return it to the mountain.

The mountain is the ground.

A well fed animal is in no mood to fight. You're saying it has a full belly and is going home to sleep. What is the martial applicability of that idea?

"Carry" i buy, too, because you are holding them for a second.

I dunno, it's not important except that you're wrong.