Turn your head back

[Bao]

Arnold Schwarzenneger said "People like to make things complicated so you have to pay them to decode it"
Kind of like Nietzsche's "They muddy the waters to make them appear deeper"

The Daodejing:
Do the difficult things while they are easy
and do the great things while they are small.
A journey of a thousand miles begin with a single step.

In Tai Chi Chuan we learn to subtract, i.e. to do less to achieve more.

[Appledog]

Well here on RSF many watch what others can do, comment negatively able to "see" what is being done
by others not showing their own work only write....
might be good if it was a writing contest

it's not

I am not so interested in what other people do. I've come to the conclusion that the real things are not so easy to find. It isn't that I have stopped looking, it's just that I know I will know it when I see it. I don't see it around here.

used to judge CMA contest btw...
along time ago...

Me too. It's a useful skill to have also when learning or teaching. Come to think of it, I never saw it in any of the contestants. In the judges, though, sometimes. What a thankless job. No medals for the judges

movement alone does not always translate to usage...
each takes a slightly different skill set..

I think it is all connected. Or maybe I have been watching Manifest too much!

[BruceP]

Most have the theory, an intellectual understanding...they can talk about this
Some how this doesn't match their present development or skill set.. when put to the test..

tjq isn't a cerebral art - it's as intuitive as it is innate

My own feeling starts from the POV that everyone has it,
they block themselves from realizing it

You mean like bringing out what's already there?

I was told by a bunch of teachers on here that that isn't true

[origami_itto]

My own feeling starts from the POV that everyone has it,
they block themselves from realizing it

You mean like bringing out what's already there?

I was told by a bunch of teachers on here that that isn't true

To quote Mike Patton "What is it" at that point.

If I remember correctly you were saying something like we're getting back what we had as kids or something like that. I don't know about that. Kids are super easy to knock over and have no presence. Their brains aren't even fully developed.

I believe we have the seeds of it. The physical structures exist but are weak and not as tightly integrated as they need to be. In Wu(Hao) internals they say something comes from nothing. At first there is nothing and then something accumulates over time. That thing that accumulates becomes useful, but until you have it you don't have it.

Natural in that it comes from paying attention to the Tao, and striving to exist in harmony with it. We're not cultivating something unnatural that needs to be maintained against entropy.

Natural like "ape strength". Orangutans and Chimpanzees understand Tai Chi.

So we have the physical structures, weak, and use them in harmony with nature, and something stronger develops. The work is clearing out the hindrance to that growth.

But we don't have "IT" to start, we just have the tools. We have the ox and have to train it to pull the plow and then we have to pull the plow or the crops can't grow.

[windwalker]

Natural like "ape strength". Orangutans and Chimpanzees understand Tai Chi.

they don't understand nor have it, might want to check out the differences in physicality between humans and apes. .

So we have the physical structures, weak, and use them in harmony with nature, and something stronger develops.
The work is clearing out the hindrance to that growth.

But we don't have "IT" to start, we just have the tools. We have the ox and have to train it to pull the plow and then we have to pull the plow or the crops can't grow.

Kinda depend on ones outlook...and practice.

if it's based on less, emptiness understanding what this means, how its developed and used...everyone already has it...it's there...
The development is dropping what is already there.

If it's based on more, some hidden power, developing "something stronger" then no its not there.
The development is developing something that is not there.

[origami_itto]

What I mean there is that they learn directly from their bodies without the psychological hangups that get in the way.

[windwalker]

What I mean there is that they learn directly from their bodies without the psychological hangups that get in the way.

how do you know

Anthropomorphism, anyone

"Barbary macaques (Macaca sylvanus) who bare their teeth are smiling when, in reality, it is a threat signal. In some cases, misinterpretation of animal behavior may trigger intense human–animal conflicts "


In Thailand they have 13 ways of smiling,,,makes one wonder

[origami_itto]

As much wishful thinking as any of these unproven statements.
Not worth spending much time on, not an important point by any means.

[Trick]

What I mean there is that they learn directly from their bodies without the psychological hangups that get in the way.

there's the 100'th monkey thing seemingly workable not only for the monkeys but also for man.

[wayne hansen]

Hasn’t the Eskimo snow thing been revealed as a urban myth that is untrue

[wayne hansen]

The person who tried to contact me on the back channel
Your message didn’t get thru

[origami_itto]

Hasn’t the Eskimo snow thing been revealed as a urban myth that is untrue

Depends what you mean. Inuits have about 50 words for snow. English has 40.

Barchan: A horseshoe-shaped snowdrift.
Blizzard: A violent winter storm that combines subfreezing temperatures, strong winds, and snowfall. To officially qualify as a blizzard, a storm must reduce visibility to less than a quarter of a mile and last for at least three hours.
Corn snow: Coarse, granular wet snow formed by cycles of melting and refreezing.
Cornice: An overhanging accumulation of ice and wind-blown snow, such as might be found on a cliff face.
Column: A type of snowflake that is shaped like a six-sided column.
Crust: A hard, frozen layer of snow over top of a softer, less-supportive layer.
Dendrite: A type of snowflake that has six points. This is the archetypal “snowflake” shape.
Finger drift: A narrow snowdrift across a roadway. So named because several of them together resemble the fingers on a hand.
Firn: Snow that is more than a year old, but that has not yet consolidated into ice.
Flurry: A brief snowfall that produces little to no accumulation.
Graupel: Also called snow pellets, graupel refers to round, opaque snowflakes that almost look like polystyrene pellets. They form when regular snowflakes fall through ice-cold liquid clouds. Droplets from the clouds freeze onto the crystals, forming a solid mass. Graupel is similar to hail, but is smaller and less dense.
Ground blizzard: A windstorm that is not accompanied by snowfall, but which reduces visibility by lifting existing snow from the ground.
Hoarfrost: Frost that resembles spiky hairs. This type of frost gets its name from the word “hoar,” which means “ancient,” because it resembles an old man’s bushy, white beard. It happens when water vapor freezes instantly after coming into contact with a very cold surface. It occurs because the moisture in the air goes directly from vapor to solid, skipping the liquid phase. It tends to form on small surfaces, such as wires, tree branches, plant stems, and leaf edges, and sometimes over existing snowfall. Learn more about types of frost!
Hominy snow: a term used primarily in the South Midland region, refers to an icy, granular snow that looks like hominy.
Lake-effect snow: Snow produced when icy winds move across a large body of warmer lake water. Common in the Great Lakes region of the U.S. and Canada.
Needle: A type of snowflake that is much longer than it is wide.
New snow: Recent snowfall in which individual ice crystals can still be seen.
Old snow: Snowpack in which individual snow crystals can no longer be recognized.
Penitents: Tall, thin, spikes of hardened snow. They can range from a few inches to several feet in height.
Perennial snow: Snow that remains on the ground for more than a year.
Pillow drift: A wide, deep snowdrift across a roadway.
Polycrystal: A formation made up of several snowflakes that fuse into one massive flake.
Powder: New snow composed of loose, fresh crystals.
Rimed snow: Snowflakes coated in tiny frozen water droplets called rime.
Ripples: Marks on the surface of snow, similar to the ripples in sand, caused by wind.
Roller: A naturally occurring cylinder of snow formed by the wind.
Sastrugi: Irregular grooves and ridges in snow caused by the wind.
Seasonal snow: The amount of snow that accumulates during one season.
Sleet: Rain mixed with snow.
Slush: Partially melted snow on the ground.
Snirt: Snow mixed with dirt.
Snow bridge: An arch formed by snow and wind.
Snowdrift: Snow on the ground that has been blown by the wind to a height greater than the actual amount of snow that has fallen.
Snow squall: A brief, intense snow shower that does not qualify as a blizzard due to its short duration.
Snowburst: An intense snow shower that produces a lot of accumulation in a short period of time.
Snowflake: A cluster of ice crystals that falls from a cloud.
Snowpack: Also called snow cover, this term refers to the total amount of all snow and ice on the ground, including both recent snowfall and previous snow and ice that have not melted.
Snowstorm: Any weather event that features large amounts of snowfall.
Sun cups: Shallow, bowl-shaped hollows formed by irregular patches of intense sunlight.
Whiteout – a blizzard or squall that reduces visibility to near zero. Here’s how to stay safe.

[wayne hansen]

They are not all names for snow they are the effects of weather
Once again in the rush to prove me wrong you haven’t read what you have written

[Giles]

Since this thread is highly Off the Topic anyway, and it's Saturday...

Overview

Franz Boas [the anthropologist who lived among the Inuit in the late 19th century and first made this linguistic observation] did not make quantitative claims[6] but rather pointed out that the Eskaleut languages have about the same number of distinct word roots referring to snow as English does, with the structure of these languages tending to allow more variety as to how those roots can be modified in forming a single word.[4] A good deal of the ongoing debate thus depends on how one defines "word", and perhaps even "word root".

The first re-evaluation of the claim was by linguist Laura Martin in 1986, who traced the history of the claim and argued that its prevalence had diverted attention from serious research into linguistic relativity. A subsequent influential and humorous, and polemical, essay by Geoffrey K. Pullum repeated Martin's critique, calling the process by which the so-called "myth" was created the "Great Eskimo Vocabulary Hoax". Pullum argued that the fact that the number of word roots for snow is about equally large in Eskimoan languages and English indicates that there exists no difference in the size of their respective vocabularies to define snow. Other specialists in the matter of Eskimoan languages and Eskimoan knowledge of snow and especially sea ice argue against this notion and defend Boas's original fieldwork amongst the Inuit, at the time known as Eskimo, of Baffin Island.[2][7]

Languages in the Inuit and Yupik language groups add suffixes to words to express the same concepts expressed in English and many other languages by means of compound words, phrases, and even entire sentences. One can create a practically unlimited number of new words in the Eskimoan languages on any topic, not just snow, and these same concepts can be expressed in other languages using combinations of words. In general and especially in this case, it is not necessarily meaningful to compare the number of words between languages that create words in different ways due to different grammatical structures.[4][8]

On the other hand, some anthropologists have argued that Boas, who lived among Baffin islanders and learned their language, did in fact take account of the polysynthetic nature of Inuit language and included "only words representing meaningful distinctions" in his account.[3] Igor Krupnik, an anthropologist at the Smithsonian Arctic Studies Center in Washington, supports Boas's work but notes that Boas was careful to include only words representing meaningful distinctions. Krupnik and others charted the vocabulary of about 10 Inuit and Yupik dialects and concluded that they indeed have many more words for snow than English does. Central Siberian Yupik has 40 terms. In Nunavimmiutitut, the Inuktitut dialect spoken in Canada's Nunavik region has at least 53, including matsaaruti, for wet snow that can be used to ice a sleigh's runners, and pukak, for crystalline powder snow that looks like salt. Within these dialects, the vocabulary associated with sea ice is even richer. In the Iñupiaq language of Wales, Alaska, Krupnik documented 70 terms for ice including: utuqaq, ice that lasts year after year; siguliaksraq, a patchwork layer of crystals that form as the sea begins to freeze; and auniq, ice that is filled with holes. Similarly, the Sámi peoples, who live in the northern tips of Scandinavia and Russia, use at least 180 words related to snow and ice, according to Ole Henrik Magga, a linguist in Norway. Unlike Inuit dialects, Sámi languages are not polysynthetic, making it easier to distinguish words.[9]

Studies of the Sami languages of Norway, Sweden and Finland, conclude that the languages have anywhere from 180 snow- and ice-related words and as many as 300 different words for types of snow, tracks in snow, and conditions of the use of snow.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eskimo_words_for_snow

...and now back to normal service. If anyone's still interested.

[wayne hansen]

No we can cover the 13 smiles