7 star stance used in Taiji form

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7 star stance used in Taiji form

Postby johnwang on Fri Mar 01, 2024 10:44 pm

The 7-star stance (toes up heel down) is used to control your opponent's leading leg (such as shin bite). If you put your 100% weight on your back leg, your leg control intention is gone. Also, your front leg 7-star stance can be easily scooped or swept. In Chang Taiji form, all those 7-star stance are done with flat leading foot instead.

IMO, if you step forward into 7-star stance with heel down first (at 2.20, 2.32 in the following video), it violates basic CMA principle that "you step as you walk on the frozen lake". You may break the ice if you step that way.

What's your opinion on this?

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Re: 7 star stance used in Taiji form

Postby wayne hansen on Fri Mar 01, 2024 11:41 pm

It all depends on where your opponent is at the time
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Re: 7 star stance used in Taiji form

Postby origami_itto on Sat Mar 02, 2024 4:55 am

Can also indicate a good place for a heel kick. :D
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Re: 7 star stance used in Taiji form

Postby Dmitri on Sat Mar 02, 2024 5:50 am

I was taught that (almost) every step in the form could potentially be a kick. This one could be a stomp to the top of the foot

P. S. that video is a terrible way to teach correct movement IMO
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Re: 7 star stance used in Taiji form

Postby origami_itto on Sat Mar 02, 2024 8:44 am

Dmitri wrote:I was taught that (almost) every step in the form could potentially be a kick. This one could be a stomp to the top of the foot


Complete agreement, but if you look at the empty stances, the cat stances like white crane spreads wings are better places strategically for toe kicks, while the 7 star stances are good places strategically for heel kicks. The top of the foot is just one place to put that heel kick and call it a "stomp".

johnwang wrote:The 7-star stance (toes up heel down) is used to control your opponent's leading leg (such as shin bite). If you put your 100% weight on your back leg, your leg control intention is gone. Also, your front leg 7-star stance can be easily scooped or swept. In Chang Taiji form, all those 7-star stance are done with flat leading foot instead.


I don't really see leg control indicated in any of the places that a 7 star is explicitly spelled out, but could be missing it. I see that sort of thing more in, I dunno, maybe fair ladies? Would have to play with it.

Every forward step is supposed to put the heel down first, so any forward step followed by shifting forward could be a place for "leg control intention".
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Re: 7 star stance used in Taiji form

Postby wayne hansen on Sat Mar 02, 2024 2:40 pm

Yes CTH,s son is just inserting the foot for the next move
To take any move in the form without considering where it comes from and where it is going just shows a lack of basic understanding of the form
I like the FMA name for that as a kick
The cow kick
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Re: 7 star stance used in Taiji form

Postby johnwang on Sat Mar 02, 2024 9:50 pm

Example of 7-star stance = leg control.

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Re: 7 star stance used in Taiji form

Postby wayne hansen on Sat Mar 02, 2024 10:31 pm

First step in the Wu style form
That was the exact application I was shown but done better
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Re: 7 star stance used in Taiji form

Postby origami_itto on Sun Mar 03, 2024 4:29 am

johnwang wrote:Example of 7-star stance = leg control.

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Here's that reverse bite.

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