Chen Taiji, why the hate?

[everything]

It's hard to tell sometimes if anyone here really refers to the same thing. "What is this, I don't get it, it's not really possible" and a child's delighted laughter is the feeling I got and saw many people get from some experience with "different quality". This may be a first clue on whether or not you encountered something interesting or may still be chasing red herrings. The kind of thing that makes the Master Wei story seem extremely relatable.

[D_Glenn]

WW, What happened to you man. I was always one of your few supporters when you first came on here.

RSF does have a tendency to break people. You don’t even want to know how bad it was when it was the first incarnation of Empty Flower. Lots of rage. Lots of brutality. Every day was good popcorn munching material. The ban hammer was always swinging.

[everything]

Who? WW? Me? What are you talking about?

Who broke? Who got mad? Lol.

I remember on Ef a certain group who followed a famous teacher and nice guy would lose their shit non stop.

[D_Glenn]

Who? WW? Me? What are you talking about?

Who broke? Who got mad? Lol.

I remember on Ef a certain group who followed a famous teacher and nice guy would lose their shit non stop.

Not you. Haha. You posted right as I was submitting mine.
There was a lot of people who lost it on EF. The guy who took over EF went full section 9, and was making another EF’rs, who was a complete jerk to be honest, life into a living hell. Hacking all of his websites, crazy stuff.

It might be easier to count the ones that survived it.

[D_Glenn]

Everything, did you have a different name on EF? I was Zhuan for a long time.

[everything]

Oh lol I remember reading about that guy here in the early days.

So many people must have dropped out of IMA or this corner of the internet perhaps.

[everything]

Everything, did you have a different name on EF? I was Zhuan for a long time.

IIRC I was still “everything”, but was lurking. May have posted a tiny bit, not sure.

[D_Glenn]

The Bagua rivalries were the worst. At least 9 different factions within the small world of Bagua. I’m glad those days are over.

[johnwang]

There was a lot of people who lost it on EF.

During the EF time, we were not afraid to say what we really want to say (I even used my real name instead of using a fake name). I still remember, my signature was "I'm still allergy to push".

Back then whenever there was a "push" video, I was there.

[BruceP]

Back then whenever there was a "push" video, I was there.

Yes, you were

Lots of talk in this thread about the Who, What, When and Where. You're the only wanting to talk about the How

[D_Glenn]

JW, Lol. You were getting a lot of flack on there then. It was bad. But it might even be the same now. I don’t know that it ever changed for you.
I’m glad I went to a seminar and got humbled by you. I was totally ignorant of SJ’s speed. Hard to defend against.

I think I have become allergy to push now too. It’s contagious

[Trip]

A person being allergic to push is totally fair

But constantly claiming a style only has push--is a misrepresentation
Especially when the persons making such claims knows it's not true.
(i.e., knows the style contains more than just push)

And then when those trained in how to properly use Push
Explain that using push to unbalance the opponent
increases the effect of a follow-up attack with a Punch or Kick.

So...when that info seems dismissively ignored
just so person who constantly made such claims
does not have to acknowledge that
just maybe... push unbalancing can actually be useful...

Well...
I'm allergic to that kind of unfairness

[Trick]

Yin Fu had practiced a Snake Tongue Boxing system and was a good fighter. He learned of Dong Haichuan and bought a traveling cart from a merchant so that he could have an excuse to hang around the front gate of the forbidden city. For months he made the bread every morning, and would go wait by the gate. He got to be friendly with the guards and would give them free bread. One day he finally saw Dong Haichuan and his retinue going into the city. But despite his best efforts he wasn’t even acknowledged. The guards spoke to the prince about Yin Fu, and he liked what he heard so he invited him inside. As he came in everyone was sitting around smoking pipes. Dong Haichuan asked if he was here to challenge him. He knodded. Dong Haichuan, threw his satchel of tobacco up in the air and used Fanlangjin to pop up into the air from a seated position and used his two fingers to knock out Yin Fu’s two front teeth, then he sat back down and caught the satchel he had thrown. To save face Yin Fu swallowed his teeth and knelt down to beg to be his student. Dong refused, but the prince intervened and he had to accept him. Yin Fu then grew a really long mustache to hide his missing teeth, and kept that mustache until he died.

Those old gong fu challenge stories are the weirdest and basically just show the master using foul play

[johnwang]

using push to unbalance the opponent
increases the effect of a follow-up attack with a Punch or Kick.

When you use this strategy, how far do you push your opponent away?

- 3 inch?
- 6 inch?
- 1 foot?
- 2 foot?
- ...

If you push your opponent

- too far, you have to move that distance again in order to punch/kick him.
- not too far, that's shaking which is a push followed with a pull. That's different from push. I do agree that shaking is a powerful combat skill.

Assume you push your opponent 3 inch away from you to make him off balance, you then throw a punch or kick to knock him down. Since your opponent's body is moving away from you, some of your punch/kick force will be cancelled out

A - B < A.

Why do you want to do that for?

Do you want head on collision, or do you want rear end collision? You can't have both.

[Bao]

using push to unbalance the opponent
increases the effect of a follow-up attack with a Punch or Kick.

When you use this strategy, how far do you push your opponent away?

Well, it doesn't increase the effect. Quite the opposite. If you want to make maximum damage with a punch or kick, you either want the opponent to remain on spot and be still or moving towards you.

Also, unbalancing does not equal push. Unbalancing/unroot is what you do as a set up for an effortless push, throw, pull, take down, qinna. But it's not what you want to do if you want to punch or kick.

My late Chinese teacher didn't like "pushing", he would unbalance and/or compromise people's structure, putting them down on the ground where he could reach them with a strike, or he would unbalance them so they moved towards him and punch them.