Does intellectualization interfere with your understanding o

[zenshiite]

I know I spend way too nuch time reading and thinking about martial arts.

[Bär]

It's part of the myth of martial arts that martial artists are all balanced, centered and zen-like. Most of them in my (eeps!) 33 years of involvement were some of the most insecure, maladjusted ego-driven wankers you'll ever run across. Much worse than the rock musicians I've hung out with for a similar amount of time. I could make jokes about wearing camos to Wal-Mart and stockpiling green beans or whathaveyou, but when you've actually known people whose lives were lost to or destroyed by these kinds of paralyzing fears, it's not really that funny to watch.

QFT

[Darth Rock&Roll]

sweet jesus, ium a martial artist and a rock musician! I must be an ultra wanker or something. lol

well, here's to the ultra wankers then.

[everything]

as long as you're not an overly-intellectualizing martial artist / rock musician

[Bao]

as long as you're not an overly-intellectualizing martial artist / rock musician

I think that being an over-intellectualizing musician is ok as long as your intellectualizing isn't based upon own fantasies.

I wonder if you think about the same one as I thought about...

[everything]

no I'm not sure but...

[Chris McKinley]

Gotta be Kid Rock, then.

[Darth Rock&Roll]

oh man, britney is tasty in those photos.

[Bao]

oh man, britney is tasty in those photos.

Please then let me bring you back to reality...

[everything]

ouch!

[tsurugi]

Getting away from disturbing pictures of Britney and back to the topic question - saw this the other day :


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/edinburgh_and_east/7859385.stm


also very disturbing, especially if you spend a lot of time on Emptyflower and or teaching MA -

[quote]The study, which also involved the University of Michigan, marks the first time researchers have claimed to demonstrate that verbal overshadowing can adversely affect motor skills.

Prof Anderson said the findings may have consequences for people who take part in other sports.

"This observation may have repercussions for athletes who depend on effective mental techniques to prepare for events," he added.

"Moreover, those who teach golf, or any motor skill, might be undoing their own talent in the process."
[quote]

[GrahamB]

Thinking about the title of this thread... I often wonder whether IMA over intellectualise what is essentially not that complicated (I'm IMA myself, so this isn't a dig at IMA in general, but more about its potential propensity to attract 'over thinkers')

What would happen if you took Fedor's approach to training but utilised IMA methods?

Notice how simple everything he's saying is - it's not complicated at all. However, I'm sure you could get some IMA 'technicians' to explain what he's doing and it would be like a 20,000 word PHD thesis...

[Chris McKinley]

tsurugi,

Nice reference, but it's old news. And I noticed that the article didn't mention that the researchers even latched onto the key factor in that phenomenon, which is well-known to be simultaneous activation of the competing centers. It would seem, at least from the article, that the researchers erroneously concluded that all such discussion were able to affect performance, when it's already quite well-established that it is the concurrent activation of competing centers that is the problem. Now, I did notice that the article listed the researchers as psychologists as opposed to hard scientists of any type, and it's possible that the perennial problem of soft scientists using questionably-constructed experimental method might have been at play.

Still, for clarification, the problem comes when one is attempting to engage in complex neuromotor activity and also activating language centers at the same time, whether verbalized or not. This means that even if you are only talking to yourself in your head, you will still suffer the same potential degradation of performance as if you were having a conversation with your buddy.

[Bodywork]

Thinking about the title of this thread... I often wonder whether IMA over intellectualise what is essentially not that complicated (I'm IMA myself, so this isn't a dig at IMA in general, but more about its potential propensity to attract 'over thinkers')

What would happen if you took Fedor's approach to training but utilised IMA methods?

Notice how simple everything he's saying is - it's not complicated at all. However, I'm sure you could get some IMA 'technicians' to explain what he's doing and it would be like a 20,000 word PHD thesis...

Fedor is a great fighter, and like most fighters all he really reveals is that there is nothing new or unsual in their methods just how well someone can actually use the well known lessons.
I have never been interested in the IMA for the fighting techniques or even what I have seen thus far of their "ideas" or fighting principles. I am only interested in internals by way of comparing their body conditioning and use for balance and power. I find your comment about the long dissertations from IMAers to be interesting. These arts may be plagued by inept wannabes as all the others are as well. No news there. But they are also deeper than the other arts.
Is it wise to throw out the baby with the bath water?
Are there men who study and practice internal methods who can actually fight?
Do you know how they do it?
Are they the long winded over analytical types?
OR
Do they have some direct teaching methods?
Is the difference all so black and white?

[Ian]

Off topic: the "secret" to not using a boxer's guard is in this clip.