iwalkthecircle wrote:like to add that most TCMA would NOT know how to train for combatSport since they were not trained that way themSelves.
training for combatSport makes a big difference.
i would go as far as saying that most TCMA people are not in shape to fight three solid round in any combat sport.
i remember the 1st time i did three solid round of SC..... it was tiring.
some IMA people I know don't like to sweat, too much muscle/tense, no chi, not high level enough.....
C.J.Wang wrote:As an amateur CMA practitioner, I have lots of repsect for people who train for hours a day like professional athletes in order to participate in combat sports. However, I still believe that CMA was never meant to be practiced as a sporting event.
For hundreds of years it was a form of self-preservation for the purpose of survival under hard circumstances where one human being must inflict serious damage or maim to another in a split second. It's not about sparring with rules, play fighting, or rolling on the ground in the ring with a referee present.
From history of the Kodokan, the founding of Judo by Jigoro Kano...
Kano had seen that many of the ju jitsu ryu had developed an appreciation for perfect form; for the aesthetic component of their movement art. This was a poison handed down from the most admired of the bujitsu, the swordsmen; the Kenjitsu who could not practice fully, because they could not make mistakes without crippling or fatal results. Because they could not make mistakes, and survive, they could not fully learn. Because they could not fully learn, they created a false world of form, which substituted for experience. Eventually it became Kendo, which, to restore vigor, nearly eliminated form (kata) entirely.
Disdaining "competition" as too dangerous, or even vulgar, many arts, during the waning twilight of the Tokugawa shogunate, had abandoned their martial spirit in favor of idealized movement forms. They convinced themselves that such perfection of movement reflected mastery of martial skills. Kano was not the first to see the fallacy of such an approach, which was simply rationalizing a way that eliminated, rather than preserved, the martial sweat, and agony, and ordeal that had characterized the training of men in the olden times; men who understood that perfection of movement held no advantages to the defeated, who were dead. Instead, they knew, above all, that martial spirit was strength, skill, conditioning, and above all, martial timing and ardor in the face of a determined adversary who gave no quarter and expected none. It was the development of "fudoshin" the immovable mind, that met all challenges and surprises with a state of composure but instant and devastating response
C.J.Wang wrote: I still believe that CMA was never meant to be practiced as a sporting event.
neimen wrote: i'd rather break an opponent's knee or elbow in five. or land a nice crisp strike to the groin or the throat or the nape of the neck.
OldRed wrote:CJW---This is the basic problem. How does a person know that they can inflict serious damage or maim another if they can't survive play fighting, or rolling on the ground in the ring with a referee present?
johnwang wrote:C.J.Wang wrote: I still believe that CMA was never meant to be practiced as a sporting event.
SC is CMA and SC was always practiced as a sporting event. It takes different kind of personality to be in the sport. You have to enjoy winning and feel bad for losing. Also the ancient Chinese fighting spirit such as "if you beat me today then I'll come back in 10 years to get even with you" is not popular today.
C.J.Wang wrote:But do you think that your teacher, GM Chang Dong-Sheng, thought of SC as a sport where playing fighting and losing are acceptable? Based on everything I've heard from others, he took SC as a dead serious combat art for survival.
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