Finny wrote:I've been amazed by the similarities between TaeKwonDo's forward punch and XY's beng chuan.
I've come to the conclusion that XY comes from TKD.
Bagua is obviously related to Aikido - DHC must've studied with Ueshiba's teacher.
Savate seems so similar to TaeKwonDo that I've realised that XY and Savate are brother arts.
Judo comes from catch wrestling - they are identical.
Western boxing looks exactly like Muay Thai without the kicks and elbows - Boxing comes from MT.
Sanchin Kata looks like Wing Chun Kuen's YeeJee Kim Yeung Ma - Karate comes from Wing Chun.
I am a serious MA researcher.
Jujitsu, there is a connection, its material originally comes from a Chinese person that journeyed to Japan and stayed there.
Aikido, its founder had some interaction with XY, I have heard from Japanese historians nowadays.
Graculus wrote:Thanks for your reply, Sal.
I wonder, during your investigations into CMA origins, you have come to any conclusions or developed any opinions on the rates of change or development of 'sets'. For example, how many movements are added/changed per x number of generations? I say this because I have come across the idea in several different fields (eg linguistics), and figured it would be relevant (though horribly difficult to calculate) in the area of martial arts. Obviously there are lots of variables, but even so...
Graculus
Finny wrote:That's the problem right there though Sal.
You don't "think out loud" here or elsewhere.
You present your opinions as verified facts, and act as though you have the credentials and know-how to establish these things, when you don't.
beegs wrote:Aikido, its founder had some interaction with XY, I have heard from Japanese historians nowadays.
i dont see anything similaar in xy to aikido, from tech to philosophy, completely different in my opinion
Finny wrote:Aikido's history and derivation has been thoroughly investigated, and pretty much every piece of evidence surrounding it has been examined. No CMA influence has ever been uncovered, other than in the minds of - again - folks with a vested interest.
WongYing wrote:Sal
You mentioned that eagle claw people in China practice Tan Tui as one of their foundation sets, can you offer your view as whether the tan tui practiced was pre or post ChenTziChing's time at Shanghai Chin woo.
Also please can you site what evidence you have to support that the system of eagle claw was in existence as a cohesive system pre or post Liu Dekuan
"Liu Du Kuan, who was an influence on the founding of Eagle Claw"
Also please site what evidence you have to support the following
Liu Dekuan taught his Ba Fan Shou to a few students, including Chen Zizheng (who developed Eagle Claw style from Ba Fan Shou and Fan-zi Quan).
I was under the impression that ChenZiChing was a student of Liu Chung Yo/Lau Sing Yau, who was a student of Liu Si Chun.
Was or was not eagle claw allready in existence as a cohesive system prior to ChenTziChing time?
Thanks for your input
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