WongYing wrote:Sal,
Interesting, Even ChenTziChings family in Baoding dont credit CTC with being the creator of Eagle Claw. Nor does anyone else in either CTC village or the Liu family village. They all point it back to Liu Si Chun.
Everyone in that area states Shi Lu Xing Chuan was around before CTC, that he only added two extra rows of techniques to it . No doubt he certainly did a lot for eagle claw and it's promotion, but the system was quite cohesive before him. This is agreed upon by family members and descendants in both villages.
Having studied the Chuan Pu in Baoding Govt offices, and from both sets of family. I am inclined to go with the information based on site survey and documents there.
I am confused as how you arrive at Liu Chung Yo being a third generation student of LiuSiChunn when he is actually 1st generation, I agree he may not have been LiuSiChun's 1st student, but he certainly was a a 1st generation student of Liu Si Chun
The system was known as Faan Tzi Ying Jow Pai, it was later changed to Ying Jow Faan Tzi Mun.
Thanks for your input and thoughts, it is appreciated.
Just presented you some notes in a notebook written back in the 1980s. That's what someone I interviewed had told me.
I agree with you and thought that these notes were agreeing with you too.
I think it was clear that Liu Si Shun, from all the notes posted, was the main founder of the system. When I read it, it seems to be saying that Chen named the style it's current name, maybe it is because I wrote the notes and know what they meant when they were said to me, and thus it isn't clear to others. Not that he was the CREATOR of the whole "eagle claw" idea/style, but rather he popularized it.
I am confused as how you arrive at Liu Chung Yo being a third generation student of LiuSiChunn when he is actually 1st generation, I agree he may not have been LiuSiChun's 1st student, but he certainly was a a 1st generation student of Liu Si Chun
That's not what it means, it means that Liu Chung Yo was of the 3rd generation, a student of Liu Shi Chun (2nd generation), who was a student of someone else (1st generation). Not that he was a third generation student of Liu Shi Chun (how can you have a 3rd generation student? That would mean your student's student's student, yes? All your students are first generation from you, and 2nd generation to you. And 3rd generation from your teacher, yes?)