Rhen wrote:So a sanda and muay thai guy tries push hands and loses to a push hands champion as no strikes are allowed
oragami_itto wrote:Rhen wrote:So a sanda and muay thai guy tries push hands and loses to a push hands champion as no strikes are allowed
Well... I mean... It's a push hands competition... Do you criticize boxing matches because they don't kick or takedown?
There's some nice push hands skills on display here, more than the usual two bulls butting heads you see so much of.
jbb73 wrote:oragami_itto wrote:Rhen wrote:So a sanda and muay thai guy tries push hands and loses to a push hands champion as no strikes are allowed
Well... I mean... It's a push hands competition... Do you criticize boxing matches because they don't kick or takedown?
There's some nice push hands skills on display here, more than the usual two bulls butting heads you see so much of.
No, not criticizing that there are no strikes allowed, but I don't find it very spectacular.
What's unique in the vid, worth mentioning?
Doc Stier wrote:Tui-shou which is learned and practiced for the sake of more offensive competition priorities is a different beast than traditional tui-shou methods learned and trained as sensitivity drills with defensive 'listening' skill priorities. The latter methods ultimately develop more valuable realtime fighting skills, imo, both physically and mentally. ymmv. :P
Bhassler wrote:Doc Stier wrote:Tui-shou which is learned and practiced for the sake of more offensive competition priorities is a different beast than traditional tui-shou methods learned and trained as sensitivity drills with defensive 'listening' skill priorities. The latter methods ultimately develop more valuable realtime fighting skills, imo, both physically and mentally. ymmv.
I don't know if it's a difference of offensive or defensive mindset (how can you practice one without the other?) as it is the presence (or lack of) pedagogical constraints that force the development of specific attributes. But that never happens unless you have specific goals for the drill and understand it well enough to put the constraints in place to challenge those goals appropriately. In my experience, most people practice with a sort of 'generic' intent, and therefore quickly grow bored with the more limited practices, and then jump to less structured formats because it feels more like they're doing something.
oragami_itto wrote:
Are you logging into multiple accounts here?
oragami_itto wrote:There's whatever you see there.
jbb73 wrote:oragami_itto wrote:
Are you logging into multiple accounts here?
oragami_itto wrote:There's whatever you see there.
I see nothing extraordinary. I see a pro in Tuishou pushing a pro in striking; that's what I would expect to see.
What do you see?
Doc Stier wrote:I wasn't referring to choreographed push hand drills alone. Freestyle push hands practice, both stationary and with active moving steps, is also important. However, a competitive mindset tends to focus on winning or losing, which in turn focuses primarily on scoring points offensively, rather than on developing defensive skills for serious realtime fighting applications.
wayne hansen wrote:Both pre arranged and free style pushing in the traditional manner have their place
If you become bored you have not seen the real thing
The one with lesser skill should in the most part attack
The one with the greater skill should in most parts respond only in the defensive manner
Even the fixed drills should have the reality of the unexpected attack
wayne hansen wrote:Both pre arranged and free style pushing in the traditional manner have their place
If you become bored you have not seen the real thing
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