liokault wrote:Marvin, just leave it now. Arguing to some one about Systema is like arguing with a Scientologist…even when you have won, there still a Scientologist.
RobP3 wrote:liokault wrote:Marvin, just leave it now. Arguing to some one about Systema is like arguing with a Scientologist…even when you have won, there still a Scientologist.
No argument here I'm just explaining the clip. The scientology comparison is silly.
Doc Stier wrote:Good grief, Marvin! Give it a rest, man. You are practically the Poster Child for my previous comment. ::)
I am not, nor have I ever been a Systema practitioner, so I don't have a dog in this fight, but I think I clearly understood your criticisms of Rob's video during the first dozen times you posted them, and I find it very curious that you won't accept his explanation of what he intended to demonstrate in his video. ???
Perhaps you could better illustrate your ongoing critique by producing your own video, not clips of boxers or MMA fighters, in which YOU show how the subject matter is better demonstrated. -shrug-
liokault wrote:RobP3 wrote:liokault wrote:Marvin, just leave it now. Arguing to some one about Systema is like arguing with a Scientologist…even when you have won, there still a Scientologist.
No argument here I'm just explaining the clip. The scientology comparison is silly.
Says the guy in the cult.
Bhassler wrote:Doc Stier wrote:Good grief, Marvin! Give it a rest, man. You are practically the Poster Child for my previous comment.
I am not, nor have I ever been a Systema practitioner, so I don't have a dog in this fight, but I think I clearly understood your criticisms of Rob's video during the first dozen times you posted them, and I find it very curious that you won't accept his explanation of what he intended to demonstrate in his video.
Perhaps you could better illustrate your ongoing critique by producing your own video, not clips of boxers or MMA fighters, in which YOU show how the subject matter is better demonstrated.
I'm pretty sure Marvin8 is a linguistic algorithm bot designed to test the limits of simulated human text interaction ahead of the public release of the simplified version known at Chat GPT. He/they/it can never post their own videos because they do not, in fact, have an actual body with which to demonstrate. They can, however, produce other people's videos, either in their entirety or as animated gifs, at a moment's notice, because in a very real sense, they ARE the internet.
RobP3 wrote:Do you work against resistance?
RobP3 wrote:liokault wrote:Marvin, just leave it now. Arguing to some one about Systema is like arguing with a Scientologist…even when you have won, there still a Scientologist.
No argument here I'm just explaining the clip. The scientology comparison is silly.
RobP3 wrote:marvin8 wrote:I said, "You are not demonstrating what you're talking about [resistance] ... " with a smile meaning I'm not arguing or suggesting you should demo another way. Since you demoed without resistance, I asked questions about the demo to further understand, given your circumstances. I did not say that you could not escape a two handed grab under resistance with your method (unseen).
Okay. But again, the initial start point I work from is a simple movement away from or around direct tension. Step One.
Do you teach or have an instructor btw?
RobP3 wrote:marvin8 wrote:The phrase, "Move away from the tension/resistance, then work into the weak points" sounds broad in scope. I believe this Systema instructor does that against a two handed grab, similar in concept to your 1:30.
To an extent, though he is more using strikes into the tension to break structure, another option
marvin8 wrote:Concepts & principles
• protect from headbutt
• protect from strikes
• off balance/extend attacker
• pin/trap arms
• open and close into weak angles
• use opponent’s force against themselves
• use whole body
• use leverage...
marvin8 wrote:No. The Systema instructor is talking about and demoing principles. At 3:24 in one movement, he pins the attacker's arms, steps back, unbalances the opponent (using cross & lever principles), then takes him down.marvin8 wrote:Systema example using cross and lever principles. "I can use the cross principle in this situation and give burden in a 45 degree from his balance point."
Transition CRT
Oct 29, 2017
In this video we explain the basic principles of how to defend yourself against a frontal throat grab.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDBlDQScKeA
Dmitri wrote:RobP3 wrote:Do you work against resistance?
Part of why I like BJJ is that it answers that question automatically
RobP3 wrote:marvin8 wrote:The phrase, "Move away from the tension/resistance, then work into the weak points" sounds broad in scope. I believe this Systema instructor does that against a two handed grab, similar in concept to your 1:30.
To an extent, though he is more using strikes into the tension to break structure, another option
What I will do is I will move him in a 45°angle towards the ground. This has two advantages. First of all, I will lower or minimize his posture, which will deny him the possibility to move a leg, which he needs to restore the balance. A second thing that I will do is I will give him a certain amount of burden that he needs to carry in order to be able to restore that balance. First, I will show you what will happen if I move him just in a 90°angle in relation to the Center of Mass. He is able to restore his balance. Now I will apply the two principles of the 45°angle and some burden. The burden, obviously, will be me and my own body mass. Same goes for a motion towards the rear…
RobP3 wrote:how do you work against tension - directly, or around it?
There's also the fact of working within a certain framework, so there are things not allowed. So how does the grappling change if you introduce other forms of resistance?
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