San shou

[origami_itto]

Not 3 actions in the tai chi circle but 4

Yeah, what are those, ya reckon?

[wayne hansen]

Tcc theory doesn't say that tcc is soft. It says things like "when I am soft and the opponent is hard, it's called yielding." But, that's a description of not depending on force to oppose force. Or, there's the concept of 'the needle wrapped in cotton."

Softness can't mean that the punches hit softly. Ok, there'll be those who say that the power for the punch is generated differently, but that's a different subject. There are also those who'll say that a tcc is like the five fingers of death touch, and that the effect of the 'punch' doesn't come from it's power. But, that's too dangerous to discuss here . So, I'm talking about the ordinary 'hard' force that will knock someone out.

Anyway, my coach said that you're supposed to hit hard and the other guy has to figure it out. You don't even need to worry if it's tcc. OTOH, if the other guy is stronger and faster, then you need to use tcc.

Ask any good boxer who has knocked someone out
He will usually tell you that the blow didn't feel like it had real power
Many times they will tell you it didn't feel like it had any power at all
Same in the street
The softness in training is to give skill to the strength of the punch
The old tai chi saying
Yield only to return

Take his thousand pounds and add your 4 ounces

[wayne hansen]

Why would I tell someone who doesn't have the time to train
You are so busy doing research find it
I have said it on here before

[origami_itto]

Why would I tell someone who doesn't have the time to train
You are so busy doing research find it
I have said it on here before

Well either you want to chat or not, I'm not looking for homework assignments and your little nuggets of misunderstanding aren't worth much digging usually.

[origami_itto]

Tcc theory doesn't say that tcc is soft. It says things like "when I am soft and the opponent is hard, it's called yielding." But, that's a description of not depending on force to oppose force. Or, there's the concept of 'the needle wrapped in cotton."

Softness can't mean that the punches hit softly. Ok, there'll be those who say that the power for the punch is generated differently, but that's a different subject. There are also those who'll say that a tcc is like the five fingers of death touch, and that the effect of the 'punch' doesn't come from it's power. But, that's too dangerous to discuss here . So, I'm talking about the ordinary 'hard' force that will knock someone out.

Anyway, my coach said that you're supposed to hit hard and the other guy has to figure it out. You don't even need to worry if it's tcc. OTOH, if the other guy is stronger and faster, then you need to use tcc.

Ask any good boxer who has knocked someone out
He will usually tell you that the blow didn't feel like it had real power
Many times they will tell you it didn't feel like it had any power at all
Same in the street
The softness in training is to give skill to the strength of the punch
The old tai chi saying
Yield only to return

Take his thousand pounds and add your 4 ounces

This makes a lot of sense.

You don't understand the nature and function of softness, clears a lot up.

[Steve James]

Ask any good boxer who has knocked someone out
He will usually tell you that the blow didn't feel like it had real power

I've knocked people out, and what you're saying is kind of true. There are some punches thrown with 'bad intentions.' But, if you hit someone, it's not like there's a big difference between it landing and not.

Ime, what happens is that the opponent doesn't see or realize the punch coming and walks into it. Then, it's true, you don't feel you've used any power/strength. It's not a matter of how hard you've punched.

Take his thousand pounds and add your 4 ounces

Yep, I agree. The devil's in the details.

[Trick]

Blessed are the meek

https://maleahwarner.com/why-meekness-i ... -you-want/

[D_Glenn]

That’s interesting. I watched a documentary on the filming of the old cowboy movies. The horses were good actors but they learned what “Cut” meant, but instead of pausing in place they would immediately just go back to their stables and ruin the take. So they had to constantly keep changing the word. But the horses would keep learning them. A Horse could only be in movies for a short period of their life. And experienced horses couldn’t be mixed with new horses because they would teach them.
Are good horse actors the meek of the modern world?

[Steve James]

Are good horse actors the meek of the modern world?

Naw. Meek, as in the Biblical phrase, generally means humble, and the opposite of pride and arrogance. Mild, meaning not extreme, is another connotation, as in "mild mannered." What it doesn't mean is weak.

A good horse actor might only follow instructions, but that wouldn't make it a particularly intelligent horse. A good horse, otoh, will trust its rider but may also refuse to do something it doesn't think it can do. Mules are even smarter. Maybe that's why they're used on trips into the Grand Canyon. They claim there's never been a human fatality on a mule ride there.

Btw, I like to interpret the Biblical passage as suggesting that the meek will inherit because the arrogant will eliminate themselves.

[wayne hansen]

https://youtu.be/YbkhpbN8wTM?si=D2RcxOQMyps0AA-n

[wayne hansen]

Talks a bit but good for those who haven't learntthe form

https://youtu.be/ns03tELcdxg?si=8wl9wi2ft28tstS7