Bao wrote:windwalker wrote:Is it useful, only in so much as its a label when talking about different types of force...
Agreed that the term "jin" is mostly useful as a label on different types of "force". Or maybe as describing different "qualities" of force or strength.
IMO, the best explanation of "general jin", or as here, specifically general "taiji jin", I would say that it is the natural result of Taijiquan practice and using Taijiquan principles. How well you understand Taijiquan principles (through your body and mind) and how well and how long you have practiced Taijquan, will determine the quality and "pureness" of your Taiji jin. If you understand how to use and express a taiji shenfa it will automatically express jin.
So understanding what jin is intellectually is pointless. Practice right and practice until you get it right, and then you will understand jin.
Certainly, until it's there it isn't there.
But what I'm getting at in asking everything is I'm trying to figure out what he's chasing specifically.
Like what, in his words, jin is and how does he know when he gets it.
Because I know you're looking to Adam Mizner, everything. I've completed the first five years of his curriculum and maybe there's something more in the next two sections which I'm not subscribing to, but so far it's all just jibengong, physical exercises, and drills.
I mean he says some things in the public videos but that isn't the instruction he gives to achieve anything. If you're going off that material for useful information you're looking for good fish in the copper market.
Physical exercises condition the body to allow it to produce what can be rightly called jin, then IMHO it's a matter if strengthening and refining it.
The formula is yi qi jing but these refer to means of controlling and moving the body, or allowing it to be a conduit for energy.
Energy in the Newtonian sense. Potential like a stretched rubber band, kinetic like when you release it.
Energy expressed as force, which has a magnitude and direction.
Force that can be redirected and controlled through precise tension and micro adjustment.
The writing of past masters says that it must first be understood in the mind before it can be expressed in the body.
I believe if you are confused about what it is, you may be chasing something else entirely different.