U.S. Army Combatives Level I (BJJ Lite)

[klonk]

Army Combatives ground grappling introduced and explained in about a 40 minute official video:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 7277855734

[everything]

40 minutes??? can you tell us some spots to FF to?

[klonk]

The first six minutes or so explain the purpose of the training and shows the heirarchy of positional dominance. The rest is how-to stuff. Lots of people here already know the how-to stuff and can skip the rest of the video.

At 7:38 begins a guard pass that runs to about 9:55, and it would seem to have a couple risky moments. But I do not know much; anyone care to comment on this scene?

[bruce]

At 7:38 begins a guard pass that runs to about 9:55, and it would seem to have a couple risky moments. But I do not know much; anyone care to comment on this scene?

one option/danger with that pass is the "rubber guard" or triangle choke. the arm bar could be available too. having said that i do like the ideas he showed as long as you understand as many strength/weakness of the move it is good.

[Kurt Robbins]

The military is doing some good stuff
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AtaklPRiPcE
I Love Pankration

[Pat]

i am still appalled to see ground based grappling as a base for military hand to hand.

IMO- it should be rifle, pistol, then to knife and stick. then to the Applegate/ Fairburn flavor. grappling as a base for military H2H is idiotic.

[bruce]

i am still appalled to see ground based grappling as a base for military hand to hand.

IMO- it should be rifle, pistol, then to knife and stick. then to the Applegate/ Fairburn flavor. grappling as a base for military H2H is idiotic.

i think you may want to listen to what the teacher says again.

[Pat]

he says one thing, but they teach another. "the guy that wins is the one whose buddy shows up with a gun. that being said, let's teach our guys to roll around with a guy, making it harder for his buddy to not accidentally shoot both of them when he shows up".

if this is their "beginning 101" stuff, they need to start with an art that focuses on weaponry, lethality, and mobility, not getting the tap.

personally, i found military H2H programs lacking. the Marine Corps, the army, and the other services are at least trying address to the gaps, but this is a stupid step. grappling is good and fun and a good training tool, but as a base?

look at the way cops are taught. if our troops have to do more police work, we should train them more like that. otherwise, we need to stick to true combatives, the old school way, not the BJJ lite way. this was the army jumping on the Gracie/ MMA band wagon.

training fighting men like sport fighters is stupid. it just bugs me.

[JAB]

I have read several reports (and I think someone wrote a book on the subject) that state soldiers have been running into more grappling situations then ever because of the close quarters combat involved in clearing houses / urban warfare in Afghanistan and Iraq.
I sincerely doubt that any soldier would forgo his weapons to wrestle a Taliban fool on the ground!
Jake

[Pat]

Jake- agreed. we have our boys doing more police style work and CQB stuff than the old green on green style war.

and Bruce- sorry to come off as pissy. my man-gina was hurting this morning!

[shawnsegler]

I think they'd be better served doing silat. They have a lot of "wrestling with a weapon" tech.

S

[Ian]

I can think of much better things for a person to do in CQB than to go for an armbar...

[bruce]

how would "you" train thousands of people a systematic way of self defense?

how do you create a "system" that can improve a groups of peoples fighting skill in a short time while giving skills that can be built on?

[AllanF]

You could start with Krav Maga

Fight Quest Part 2


or some basics from the Royal Marines

[Ian]

paul vunak's stuff.

crazy monkey boxing.

...lots of options.

don't these soldiers have to clear buildings of armed opponents while carrying heavy equipment?

how exactly would bjj fit into this framework?