Royal Dragon wrote:I have a clip of a girl doing it in a parking lot. She moves very slow, like Taiji.
We are stil trying to figure out what that set is exaclty.
Generally sets named Tai Tzu are named in an honorary fashion to reflect that they descend from Sung era Shaolin Long Fist. I have yet to find a form called Tai tzu that is actually from Sung Tai tzu himself(although the Shaolin one is from his generals). Every time we find a set, if adds a whole new piece to the evolutionary puzzle though.
Bob wrote:Royal Dragon wrote:I have a clip of a girl doing it in a parking lot. She moves very slow, like Taiji.
We are stil trying to figure out what that set is exaclty.
Generally sets named Tai Tzu are named in an honorary fashion to reflect that they descend from Sung era Shaolin Long Fist. I have yet to find a form called Tai tzu that is actually from Sung Tai tzu himself(although the Shaolin one is from his generals). Every time we find a set, if adds a whole new piece to the evolutionary puzzle though.
As I have probably stated before, speculation only, that I believe the Yang Lu Chan version of taijiquan, especially the slow tempo, was based on a blend of the tai zu chang quan that was practiced in the Chen Village and the additional Chen forms.
As James Guo points out on his website:
Long Fist (Changquan)
Grandmaster Liu's family have resided for generations in the Cang County, the so called "Martial Art Village". Liu's family had a Long Fist system that was passed down through generations. This system only has one routine, but contains over 300 movements. The movements of this routine are large, expansive and slow. Comparing the characteristics and the names of the movements in this Long Fist routine to the available records from the Chen Village in Wen County of Henan, it appears to be similar to the lost Long Fist routine of the Chen Village taijiquan. According to the legends, this routine was first composed by the founding emperor of the Song Dynasty. It became popular in the Ming Dynasty, and was included in the military training by General Qi JiGuang, who included such training in the "Quan Jing Jie Yiao" chapter of his book "Ji Xiao Xing Shu".
http://www.bajimen.com/index.php?page=other
I am convinced that Daoism and its practices were inherent in the Chinese culture, especially within that region and it was no big deal to incorporate them as part of the tai zu chang quan. Yang Lu Chan, having spent 18 years in the Village area, more than likely learned this and it is also known that the initial training phase of Chen's taijiquan is played slow, without fajing expression. After having seen the first 10 moves or so of the tai zu routine it seems reasonable to me that Yang Lu Chan, teaching publicly, would teach a level with no fajing expression and a possible blend of tai zu quan and the first routine of Chen's taiji or some modification of it.
Royal Dragon, I have heard rumor that there is a tape floating around in Taiwan that has GM Liu Yun Qiao performing the entire routine but it was done very late in his life and I am not sure he was able to do the one-legged squats which are a part of the routine.
Bob wrote:Sal:
My thinking is that GM Liu's Tai Zu chang quan would probably have this type of tempo and flavor. This is one of my favorite clips:
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