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Re: Peng, Lu Ji An usage

Postby chicagoTaiJi on Thu Jul 31, 2008 7:19 am

unfortunately reading books has little to do with knowing tai chi chuan

everyone is an expert
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Re: Peng, Lu Ji An usage

Postby DeusTrismegistus on Thu Jul 31, 2008 7:49 am

chicagoTaiJi wrote:unfortunately reading books has little to do with knowing tai chi chuan

everyone is an expert


Whats that supposed to mean?
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Re: Peng, Lu Ji An usage

Postby SPJ on Thu Jul 31, 2008 8:27 am

let us turn the thread around.

what are apps for peng lu ji an.

please list at least one for each from books or your practice.

I am at work, I will list some tonite when off work.

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Re: Peng, Lu Ji An usage

Postby qiphlow on Thu Jul 31, 2008 8:50 am

SPJ wrote:



peng is in everything we do.


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Re: Peng, Lu Ji An usage

Postby qiphlow on Thu Jul 31, 2008 8:58 am

a peng app i like during push hands:
step in, "ward-off" forearm goes under opponents armpit while the supporting hand controls his wrist. upward into his armpit, while downward and back with his wrist, extending his arm and locking his shoulder, getting him up on his toes. turn your waist and away he goes!

app for an that has worked during sparring a couple of times:
both of my hands slap his hands down sharply, after his hands are travelling down, both of my fists hit his face.
(this one needs timing, which is why i can't get it to work all the time--my timing still needs work! :) )
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Re: Peng, Lu Ji An usage

Postby Ian on Thu Jul 31, 2008 10:15 am

nianfong wrote:whoa, that taiji is trippy. totally robot/hiphop style! very interesting. his kua is closed too....

he loves thumbing his nose at the "orthodox" principles doesn't he? really inspires some thought here... gotta digest this stuff....


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chicagoTaiJi wrote:unfortunately reading books has little to do with knowing tai chi chuan


dismissive remarks like "I don't see any peng" have little to do with knowing tai chi chuan either.

everyone is an expert


and the same criticism would apply to you, no doubt.


thank you, guys, for posting these clips. very neat indeed.
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Re: Peng, Lu Ji An usage

Postby chicagoTaiJi on Thu Jul 31, 2008 11:45 am

dismissive remarks like "I don't see any peng" have little to do with knowing tai chi chuan either.


and?
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Re: Peng, Lu Ji An usage

Postby Dmitri on Thu Jul 31, 2008 12:15 pm

chicagoTaiJi, it is probably too much to ask you for your own video, but I'd like to know what does peng look like, in your opinion? Maybe post a link to someone else's clip where you "see peng", and elaborate a little what exactly is it that you see there that you're not seeing here.
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Re: Peng, Lu Ji An usage

Postby Brady on Thu Jul 31, 2008 12:27 pm

I agree w/ what Imon is saying here. I love watching Su's videos. He seems to be playing with the movements all the time, seeing what different patterns/intents bring to the table. Sure beats doing the form the "right" way every time to me. It makes me glad to see someone with such an unorthodox exploratory approach to single man drilling be such an incredibly badass fighter.
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Re: Peng, Lu Ji An usage

Postby lars on Thu Jul 31, 2008 12:31 pm

The bagua clips are beautiful! How can anyone not like that!
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Re: Peng, Lu Ji An usage

Postby Ian on Thu Jul 31, 2008 7:32 pm

chicagoTaiJi wrote:
dismissive remarks like "I don't see any peng" have little to do with knowing tai chi chuan either.


and?


and it would be nice if you showed a little decorum to people who are trying to contibute something useful.
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Re: Peng, Lu Ji An usage

Postby chicagoTaiJi on Thu Jul 31, 2008 9:19 pm

I was just commenting that i did not see it.

feel free to point it out.

i watched the first section of the video.

I do not see his step, so where is the "peng"? i see a slap to the belly. is that it?


dont be so defensive.
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Re: Peng, Lu Ji An usage

Postby SPJ on Thu Jul 31, 2008 9:48 pm

the answer would be no,

it is not peng.

1. what happenned is that he slapped down at the opponent's right wrist and above his right elbow,

2. he got close, he did a couple strikes with left forward hand, while his right hand controlling the opponent's right wrist.

3. with one hand controlling the wrist and the other hand controlling the head or neck joint, and hooking the opponent's ankle/leg, he threw the opponent.

the main thing is that we have to tap down the right wrist and above elbow first then get closer.

so that the opponent may not advance his right elbow.

that was why I said he used the final posture and started from there.

and not starting from somewhere else and ended with the final posture.

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these are obvious to other posters, too.

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Re: Peng, Lu Ji An usage

Postby SPJ on Thu Jul 31, 2008 9:57 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2W2tW1M9gA

but if you wants to get technical.

1. when he used his right hand to contact and grab the opponent's right wrist, there is a peng from his palm before grabbing.

2. when he used his left forearm to contact above the opponent right elbow first, there was also peng from the his left forearm.

in slow motion of the first moves. @ 0.13.

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Re: Peng, Lu Ji An usage

Postby kreese on Thu Jul 31, 2008 10:26 pm

He checks, switches hands, and the second peng would have rocked the guy despite his hand being up due to the angle. That's peng, the posture. The secondbackhand to the gut is also peng...yes, it can go downwards. He uses lu, peng, lu, peng, and ji to squeeze/close for the final strike. In terms of whole body energy (peng jin), it's there in every movement and strike. If you expected to see flowing tui shou type moves than you are simply naive.
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