Baji-Li Shu Wen's Grandson?

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Baji-Li Shu Wen's Grandson?

Postby Bob on Wed Aug 06, 2008 10:00 am

Topic is rescinded. Sorry.
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Re: Baji-Li Shu Wen's Grandson?

Postby Shenquan on Wed Aug 06, 2008 4:41 pm

Li Shuwen did have a son, his name was Li Etang, who was the father of the guy in this clip (exactly like it's written on the video link). From what I know Li Etang was a fine martial artist and trained many times along with Huo Qingyun but unfortunately he was a victim of the Cultural Revolution
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Re: Baji-Li Shu Wen's Grandson?

Postby Chanchu on Wed Aug 06, 2008 5:05 pm

This is a great clip- I don't know anything about BA Ji at all but fun to see practicioners like this train it...
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Re: Baji-Li Shu Wen's Grandson?

Postby SPJ on Wed Aug 06, 2008 5:22 pm

http://baike.baidu.com/view/1288023.htm

“闪电霹雳手”李萼堂小传


  李萼堂(1904-1972年),又名李廷芳,河北省沧州市盐山县王南良村人,是清末民初威名赫赫的“神枪”李书文之子。

  “神枪”李书文与妻子李刘氏共生有一女二子,李萼堂是李书文42岁时喜得的次子。李萼堂长大成人后,其性格随其父,其面容身材随其母。李萼堂自幼天资聪慧,被父母视如掌上明珠。但李书文为使其成为自己的衣钵传人,从李萼堂三岁起,便为其下腰压腿,进行武术方面的教育。李刘氏心疼儿子又不能多言,常常暗自流泪。然而,幼小的李萼堂对此却如吃蜜般喜欢。随着年龄不断增长,耳听目睹其父与众多武林名家们的刀光剑影、枪理拳义,李萼堂打下了良好的武学基础。

  自李萼堂六岁起,李书文便根据他的习武天赋,将拳法、功法系统而循序渐进地传授给他。李萼堂勤奋好学,练功刻苦,一点就透,而且每次练功后都缠着父亲问上几个为什么,倍受其父喜爱。在其父极为严格的要求下,他面对墙壁蹲马步桩,直到能蹲马步桩1个小时;练习马步冲拳、推掌,他从每回一百次到一千次,最后达到“出拳如疾箭,出掌似闪电”;他在冰上练习拍掌功,直到仆步下拍掌将冰面拍成粉末;随父练脚程,从王南良村他家中到盐山县城20公里,他不到一个时辰便往返一个来回,人送绰号“草上飞”;抖大杆子,四公斤多的长白蜡大杆,从抖一组(拦、拿、扎)10次到一组500次;为练好扎枪的准确度,他千百次地对准粗树练、对准细树练、对准插好的高梁秆练;昼扎铜钱眼,夜扎香火头。在他家的枣树林中,他用大枪扎枣,必须达到一枪一枣,百枪百枣。寒冬季节,其父将面糊抹在镜面上,再把黑豆粒粘在面糊上,让其用枪扎豆粒,直至达到枪扎黑豆粒而不伤镜面之境界。为了练习快速反应,李萼堂随父亲夜间在房上、坟地、洼地等复杂地形之处练习各种功夫。其父经常出重手袭击他,以练习他的快速反应。

  自幼在蕴含拳理枪义环境中长大,李萼堂得到了精心培养,功夫已达随心所欲的境界。无论是远劈近打、靠拢摔拿的拳脚功夫,还是各种长短软硬器械,他无不精通,加之随其父长期训练,观看其父与众多高手过招切磋,更是见识非凡,精技纯功日臻精熟。尤其是他的大枪绝技,其势磅礴,疾如流星,力道之猛,枪法之准,已达极高境界。

  李萼堂不但天生力大惊人,而且经父亲的言传身教,胆识过人。他13岁时,就能将装有80公斤重的粮食口袋举过头顶。他14岁时,随其父闯天下,击败东北军任国栋混成旅所聘武术高手,被聘为教习。

  1924年,李萼堂和父亲随奉军驻天津督办李景林返回天津,任李景林所辖部队军将教习。1928年,许兰州在天津创办河北国术馆,李景林在山东创办山东国术馆。因二人都是李书文的学生,所以特请李书文为两个国术馆的师爷。李萼堂任两个国术馆的教习,随父往返于山东与天津。在此期间,到两个国术馆来访切磋的高于和名师很多,凡有找李书文过招者,李书文让李萼堂仔细观看。李书文打完后,都对李萼堂详授机要,结合实际情况,指点应用要领,后又让李萼堂与来访者直接过招。经过多年磨炼,李萼堂见识非凡,技艺已臻佳境。

  一次,人称“铁枪王”的武当派名宿洪金龙来访。洪金龙自夸海口:“一条大枪走遍江南湘川之地无敌手,今特来山东向所谓的‘神枪李’讨教几招枪法。”李书文想亲自教训此人,李萼堂拦住父亲道:“‘父亲有其事,儿子服其劳’,我来教训他绰绰有余。”此时的李萼堂已是壮年,功夫已炉火纯青。

  李萼堂取来两杆大枪,任洪金龙挑选,而后双手抱拳恭候。洪金龙一招“白蛇吐信”刺向李萼堂的胸部。李萼堂迎上去用大枪一搅一压,再向上猛力一挑,把“铁枪王”洪金龙挑出二丈开外。此为八极“六合大枪” 中的绝技“铁牛耕地”。洪金龙输得口服心服,与李萼堂结为挚友。李萼堂由此名震山东半岛,后被聘为青岛海军旗舰武术教官。

  民国二十年(1931年),李萼堂应原民国湖南省主席兼国术训练所所长何健之聘,任湖南国术训练所主任教官。民国二十三年(1934),李萼堂应聘为国民军六十三师武术技术大队长。过去,一个练武者经师访友,勤学苦练,寒暑无间,为的是艺卖帝王家、王公大臣家、高贾之家而图生存。像李萼堂先生这样的武学大家,却以授拳为业,在当时的历史背景下并不少见。

  1945年起,李萼堂先后在湖南省长沙、邵阳、隆回等地设场,以授徒为生。当年秋天,李萼堂应湖南省邵阳地区名绅李忠保邀请,到滩头镇设场授艺。当时滩头镇有一大恶霸名叫周三友,因在当地武技超群,自称“华南虎”。周三友兄弟三人皆是南少林派高手,三兄弟武技高超,又为人凶残,人称“三阎王”。三兄弟凭着巧取豪夺和一身好功夫,再加上授徒众多,势力庞大,横行方圆百里,无恶不作,很少有人敢到他们的地盘上设场授徒,按着过去江湖中不成文的规矩,李萼堂到周氏三兄弟的地盘上设场授徒,应先带重礼登门拜访,以求得到认可。李萼堂生来性情豪爽,做人堂堂正正,处事光明磊落,加之得知周氏三兄弟的恶行,便想借此机会教训他们。

  周氏三兄弟获知李萼堂到滩头镇设场投艺的目的后,震怒之下,顿起歹意,派人给李萼堂送来请柬,借“以武会友”之名,要求与李萼堂较技比武。当地名绅李忠保得知后,提出协调解决。李萼堂对李忠保说:“感谢众位乡绅与百姓们对我的关爱,我生来豺狼虎豹都见识过,就是没有见识过花脸的狗熊。再说,周氏三兄弟欺压良善,横行乡里,无恶不作,我早有惩戒‘三阎王’狂妄霸道之心。”执意要与“三阎王”较技比武。

  三天后,李萼堂独自一人奔赴擂台。擂台四周围满了看热闹的人。周氏兄弟凶神恶煞般地端座在虎皮椅上,一副趾高气扬、不可一世的样子。他们的几十名弟子个个虎背熊腰,盛气凌人地立在周氏兄弟身后,横眉立目。李萼堂艺高人胆大,箭步跃上擂台,双手抱拳施礼。周氏兄弟见李萼堂身高体健,身轻如燕,目光如炬,当即提出让李萼堂先露两手看看。李萼堂知其意,在原地比划了几个动作,以麻痹对方。周三友果然上当,冲上前去便要动手。李萼堂说:“慢!我一条腿着地,任凭你如何打都可以。若胜不了你,我便立刻离开滩头镇。如果你输了,从此你们弟兄必须行善积德,不再做恶。否则,我将替民除害。”周三友听此话,气得哇哇大叫:“你拿命来!”话音刚落,拳脚似雨点般攻向李萼堂。李萼堂以“金鸡独立”之势,吞吐自如。周三友连续三次进攻,都跌翻在地,当即恼羞成怒,以下闭上封之毒招进攻李萼堂。李萼堂仍原地成“金鸡独立”势,迎面一掌将周三友硕大的身躯打出丈外,跌翻于擂台之下,周三友当即口吐鲜血。这时,周三友的两个兄长拔出手枪,冲上擂台。李萼堂以迅雷不及掩耳之势,夺其手枪,并将二人摔下擂台。周氏三兄弟皆拜服李萼堂手下留情之恩,答应从今后痛改前非,重新做人。此后,“闪电手”李萼堂严惩“三阎王”、威震湘西南的事迹家喻尸晓。

  驻守在湖南邵阳地区的国民党中将司令陈贵生,自幼酷爱武术,在军中长期聘请人称“南侠”的姜玉和等数位武林高手为其部下授艺。陈贵生闻知李萼堂是北派高师,功力深厚,技艺超群,便生“印证”功夫之心。1946年春,陈贵生择日,邀李萼堂到军中验证功夫。陈贵生为人心狠手辣,当天从军中调出众多武林高手,摆出一副威风八面的场面给李萼堂看,以震慑李萼堂。见面叙谈,陈贵生方知来者不是一般的北派武林高手,而是威名赫赫的“神枪李”的儿子,是习武几十年的武林泰斗。陈贵生当时虽然反应过来,但只有将错就错按计划进行了。

  陈贵生要求李萼堂只能徒手,而自己可以任意选用器械。李萼堂点头应允。陈贵生双手持短棒,迎面向李萼堂恶狠狠地劈来,但不知怎么回事,他的身躯突然摔出丈余,短棒已在李萼堂手中。陈贵生不服,从地上爬起来拔出手枪,但李萼堂一个箭步闪到其身后,将陈贵生手中的枪击落在地。此时,陈贵生的警卫一涌而上,举枪对准李萼堂。陈贵生当即制止,并说“这算第一场”,要求李萼堂与军中众武林高手过招,李萼堂笑允。

  先由“南侠”姜玉和与李萼堂试手。姜玉和乘李萼堂未防备,从李萼堂身后偷袭,出双掌猛击李萼堂背部,欲将李萼堂掀倒。李萼堂侧身用四两拨千斤之巧力化去来势,顺手一抓一托,将姜玉和举起,甩出两丈多远。随后,陈贵生聘养多年的八大高手蜂拥而上,向李萼堂攻来。李萼堂远劈近打,靠拢摔拿,运掌如风,变招迅捷无伦。刹那间,陈贵生的八大高手皆被李萼堂击败,无不跌翻在地。陈贵生惊得目瞪口呆。李萼堂乘兴,当场演示了铁掌砍钢条、双手扭断步枪枪管等软硬功夫,陈贵生、姜玉和等人赞口不绝,皆称“大开眼界,李先生真乃神人也,神功盖世”。陈贵生拜服道:“中国境内,南北各派高手如云,吾因酷爱武术,结交甚广,但像李先生这样出神入化之功夫,还是第一次见到,真乃天降吾陈贵生之大福也!”陈贵生当即放下中将司令的架子,邀来众多高朋好友,设大宴进行庆贺,并选吉日,举行拜师大典,按武林拜师大礼,当众叩拜李萼堂为师父。“闪电霹雳手”李萼堂名震三湘。

  1948年秋,白崇禧兵败,途经湖南邵东老龙潭一带,为了补充兵源,在范家山镇等地大抓壮丁。客居老龙潭村岳父家中的李萼堂闻讯挺身而出,与国民党军队师长正面磋商。白崇禧部队中,部分将校久闻李萼堂及其父“神枪李”之大名,素有钦佩崇拜之意,对李萼堂相当客气,当即报告给白崇禧。白崇禧获知威名赫赫的“神枪”李书文的儿子、武林泰斗“闪电霹雳手”李萼堂就在当地,立即邀请相见。白崇禧见李萼堂身高体健,气宇轩昂,谈吐极具武学大家之风范,十分钦佩,设宴款待,以示敬重。席间,李萼堂向白崇禧提出放了岳父家乡的村民。白崇禧提出,如果李萼堂能打败自己部下中的武林高手,便可立刻放人。李萼堂应允,临走时让白崇禧准备好一面大镜子和一些蜂蜜。白崇禧不知他做何用,便吩咐手下准备好。

  第二天一早,李萼堂手持大枪来到白崇禧的驻地,让士兵摆好镜子,将蜂蜜涂在镜面上。不一会儿,便引来许多苍蝇落在镜面上。李萼堂冲着白崇禧一抱拳:“白将军,在与贵军中武林高手过招之前,我先献献丑,让白将军与各位武林同道看一看,我与你们过招够不够资格。”言罢,大枪一抖,一招“青龙出水”叶雾喷云,一招“青龙探爪”鬼恐神惊,枪尖正扎中落在镜面上的苍蝇,而镜面毫无伤痕。刹时间,掌声雷动,喝彩声经久不息。白崇禧急忙迎上前去,赞道:“李先生真乃盖世神技,令白某今生大饱眼福,佩服!”白崇禧立即下令将抓来的壮丁全部放回,并再次设宴款待李萼堂。李萼堂之义举和精神深得民心,至今当地百姓仍流传着李萼堂解救众多百姓的佳话。

  中华人民共和国成立后,李萼堂仍以传授拳技和高超的接骨技术走乡串寨。1957年,他曾携儿子李志成参加湖南省武术评奖观摩交流大会,父子同获拳械一等奖。同年,李萼堂代表湖南省,参加在北京召开的全国武术评奖观摩交流大会,以一套极具雄风霸气、劲发八面的八极拳和一趟龙吟虎啸、出神入化的六合大枪,博得了在场观众的好评。

  兼任国家体委主任的贺龙元帅不但是湖南人,而且也是行伍出身。他介绍湖南省代表队及部分省市的武术健儿到中南海大院,给中央首长们表演。李萼堂—趟密如暴雨、气势磅礴的劈挂拳,博得了中央首长们的称赞。最后,李萼堂将雷霆万钧之力集中到一招“扑地掌”上,将表演场地的大青方砖拍裂,令人叹为观止。贺龙元帅紧紧握着李萼堂的手看了又看,称赞说:“这哪里是肉掌,我看是个千锤百炼出来的‘铁巴掌’,不愧是‘神枪李’的儿子!”

  大会结束后,李萼堂在贺龙元帅的亲自关照下,正式成为湖南省体工大队武术队教练。

  1959年,李萼堂从湖南省体工大队退休。因为有高超的治疗跌打损伤技术,他被安排到邵阳市中医院任伤科医生,并担任邵阳地区武术协会副主席。
  1966年“文化大革命”开始后,李萼堂受到冲击,精神和肉体上长期受到伤害。
  1972年,李萼堂因故病逝,享年68岁。

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Re: Baji-Li Shu Wen's Grandson?

Postby SPJ on Wed Aug 06, 2008 5:45 pm

some high lites:

1. Li shu wen has one daughter and 2 sons. Li e tang was his second son. He was born when li shu wen was 42 years old.

2. e tang had great strength and practice ba ji very diligently since the age of 6.

3. in 1924, both li shu wen and e tang served under Li jin lin (Feng yu xiang army) and taught MA.

4. in 1928, he bei kuoshu guan (Xu lan zhou) and shan dong kuoshu guan (Li jin lin) opened. e tang served as an instructor in both kuoshu guan. since both xu and li were Li shu wen students. so Li shu wen was shi ye of both kuoshu guan.

5. e tang was very good at liu he da qiang and used it to defeat a challenger Hong jin long.

6. in 1931, e tang served as the chief instructor in Hu nan kuoshu training center.

7. in 1934, e tang served as the captain of MA/wushu instructor in 63 rd division of nationalist army.

8. in 1945, after ww II, e tang opened several MA schools in Hu nan.

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9. in 1957, e tang took his son Li zhi cheng and attended wushu demo meet in Hu nan. CPC general He Long admired him much and supported him.

10. in 1966, cultural revolution started, he was "hit" hard.

11. in 1972, e tang passed away.
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Re: Baji-Li Shu Wen's Grandson?

Postby SPJ on Wed Aug 06, 2008 5:53 pm

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Re: Baji-Li Shu Wen's Grandson?

Postby bailewen on Wed Aug 06, 2008 10:35 pm

This is just making my longing to get back there ever more painful.

Shifu used to dangle a meeting with this guy out in front of me like a carrot if I trained well. In his mind, Li Shuwen's grandson is the guy to perform for. We don't really connect ourselves much to Wu Lianzhi. The real "grandmaster", as far as we are concerned has always been Li Shuwen so performing for any direct family relation of his would be a great honor.

His form, although performed kind of slow compared to our standard in Xi'an, is still much closer to ours than either that of the Wu clan up in Cangzhou or of our cousins in the Wutan, especially the opening few moves.

Very nice presentation of Dabaji.

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Re: Baji-Li Shu Wen's Grandson?

Postby Bob on Thu Aug 07, 2008 2:42 am

I like the guy's baji very much and will leave it at that.
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Re: Baji-Li Shu Wen's Grandson?

Postby SPJ on Thu Aug 07, 2008 2:56 am

agreed.

e tang may be adopted.

it is still a controvency.

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Re: Baji-Li Shu Wen's Grandson?

Postby Shenquan on Thu Aug 07, 2008 9:20 am

But even if etang had been adopted by the time Li Shuwen went to Taiwan Etang was already born so it seems kind of weird Liu Yunqiao didn't know about his existance, doesn't it?
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Re: Baji-Li Shu Wen's Grandson?

Postby Bob on Thu Aug 07, 2008 10:16 am

Shenquan, Li Shuwen never went to Taiwan.

See Dr. James Guo's site on the chronology of Liu Yun Qiao:

http://www.bajimen.com/index.php?page=chrono
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Re: Baji-Li Shu Wen's Grandson?

Postby edededed on Thu Aug 07, 2008 5:26 pm

Some people have said that Etang was adopted, but he denies this. (There was some convoluted reason that this rumor started, but I forget... I can go to the bookstore and read up on it perhaps.)
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Re: Baji-Li Shu Wen's Grandson?

Postby Bob on Fri Aug 08, 2008 5:12 am

See D_Glenn's comments.
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Re: Baji-Li Shu Wen's Grandson?

Postby D_Glenn on Fri Aug 08, 2008 6:21 am

So:

Li Shu Wen born in 1864

Had his son when he was 42, so his son Li E Tang was born in 1908

Li E Tang had a son Li Zhi Cheng (the guy in the clip, Li Shu Wen's grandson)

Li E Tang died in 1972


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Re: Baji-Li Shu Wen's Grandson?

Postby Bob on Fri Aug 08, 2008 6:58 am

D_Glenn:

My mistake, I missed my own post and forgot he is claiming to be his grandson.
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