He Jin Bao Yin Bagua

[Bob]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1haunWvlp6Q&feature=user



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Did someone once post that you don't turn your back in bagua applications?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZjwJe9fY ... re=related



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[C.J.Wang]

What interestes me the most about He Jin Bao/Xie Pei-Qi's branch of Yin style is the full arsenal of various entries and techniques that is clearly some of the best I have ever seen. Very direct, adaptiable, and none of the b.s. "merry-go-around" circles associated with inferior Bagua applications.

By the way, He Jin Bao has gained a lot of weight! The guy's really a bear now.

I wouldn't mind seeing him and Luo De Xiu engaging in a round of friendly exchanges.

[somatai]

HJB is unreal and yes there is so much great material and training in that line of YSB

[shawnsegler]

That'd be a tussle fo sho.

S

[JessOBrien]

I trained one day with He Jin Bao when he visited USA a few years back. His skill is deep and his martial ability is profound. One of the best Ba Gua fighters I've had the pleasure of meeting. Anyone who can train with him should go for it asap.

-Jess O

[XiaoXiong]

I didn't care much for the apps. Looked real risky, and his posture/line/angle is off at times. Not so great.
J

[somatai]

you sir obviously have an eye for quality

[Dale Dugas]

I didn't care much for the apps. Looked real risky, and his posture/line/angle is off at times. Not so great.
J

so like most people, rather than go see and FEEL it first hand you make remarks about someones hand who you have not met nor touched.

You need to feel the hand to see if they have any skill or not.

[XiaoXiong]

You are half correct. I have never felt nor met Mr. He. I can however certainly see things in his video which I wouldn't do because I know from personal experience that those things don't work for me. Please realize I am not judging Mr. He's skill, just the contents of the video. I would be very pleased to meet him and feel his skill. Perhaps I will not go out of my way, but it would very interesting to feel him use these kind of techniques and then develope a better informed opinion. This opinion is just that, and is only about the video.

I don't like what I see. It's really no big deal. Some people don't like Luo Laoshi's video's and I don't knock 'em for having their opinion. Maybe I have no idea what I'm talking about, or maybe it's a matter of taste. It's just one opinion of no significant consequence.
J

[Fubo]

Have to say I like the guy's stuff. Fluid yet solid. The applications are also interesting - I think something to keep in mind when judging applications is that some times they are aimed for the less the ideal situation - A person might not go into a spinning back fist/elbow technique as their first choice, but they might find themselves in that situation where the spinning back fist would come in handy etc...

[kreese]

I could be wrong, but the aspect ratio on the first couple of videos looks off. I hate it when people do that.

[D_Glenn]

Bagua like other IMA's is a 'shenfa' based art, meaning that a specific body structure and power method is developed then it's used to fight with, rather than learning to fight with what you have. These clips are from a video that is specifically for this style of Yin bagua and it's 'shenfa'.

The first clip is showing the 背身掌 'bei shen zhang' (back body palm(turning the back)) methods which require the back to be highly developed and strengthened from long hours of doing the 'yinyang yu zhang posture'. Its fighting strategy is 'snatching victory from defeat' which is like 'baiting' at Nth level. The opponent/victim always has the feeling that they've gained the upper hand but it's short lived. It's not a basic strategy by any means. Most people don't develop the body to use it and lack the confidence to apply it correctly.

The second clip is some fairly basic methods of 削 Xiao (Scraping).

The third clip is 返身掌 'fan shen zhang' (reversing the body palm). This is also a higher level of strategy (possibly the highest) where in a sense the opposite of what would appear to be the best defense/offense is used (reversing/changing the flow). Instead of continually evading and backing away from a stronger force (which could last a long time) you instead turn into a force and using rising upward and down in a vertical force (fanshen - rise up, overturn) you come down on top of the opponents attack. This strategy is more about power in a vertical plane and vertical circles where most of baguazhang is horizontal power. There is also a 'disconnect' in the whole body as you have to be able to change/reverse on a dime.


I can see why some might not like it when observing from the outside, and why they'd prefer to stick with their easier to apply 平托掌 'Ping tuo zhang' (holding and Lifting Palm). 'Ping Tuo' is bagua's version of xingyiquan and the closest thing to western fighting. Probably my favorite as well.


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[C.J.Wang]

In our Gao style lineage, majority of applications for back body and reversing body palms are circular throws and takedowns where the executioner would rapidly shift position and take away the opponent's balance simultaneously -- rather than standing relatively still in one spot, turning, and hitting.

[TaoBoxer]

In the hands of players like Luo LaoShi and Jinbao, no technique no matter how ridiulous looking, is off the table. If you set up your entry properly, it can be done. If you don't, even the "safest" techniques will getcha killed.

Lewitt

[D_Glenn]

In our Gao style lineage, majority of applications for back body and reversing body palms are circular throws and takedowns where the executioner would rapidly shift position and take away the opponent's balance simultaneously -- rather than standing relatively still in one spot, turning, and hitting.

That's baguazhang: every throw can be a strike, every strike can be a throw. You should see the same stuff done on myself when we're training on grass.


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