Gus Mueller wrote:junglist wrote:You do know it's very easy to throw people who are off balanced right?
I would love for you to prove Dan Harden wrong! That way we can know you are the man to learn from!
You did see his flat palm and fingers and thumb not gripping Sweatsuit's arm at all, right? He could have walked away, grabbed a cup of coffee, come back and slapped his equally flat not grabby palm against Sweatsuit's arm and picked up where he left off. If your idea that he was PUT off balance and was thrown is correct, I wonder how he gets through the day bumping into various people in minor ways without constantly doing "martial cartwheels".
I appreciate that you played the "let's you and him fight" card, but still, it's fake, fake, fake. The part that came after was even worse, the white guy gi laying on his stomach standing on his tippy-toes because someone is twiddling his fingers.
"Dmitri"]You really need to stop equating what you do with what Dan does. From your clip, and from having felt and practiced with people from lineages very close to yours, I'd mortgage my house in a bet that it is utterly different.
Bao wrote:But I also know from a teacher's perspective that you sometimes get so much into your own ideas that you sometimes can forget other circumstances outside of the principles you work on right at the moment. I bet that this can happen to Dan as well. My conclusion is that Dan should do the same on someone more well reversed in ground fighting and film it, preferably against Graham. Then we can all have a satisfying answer.
junglist wrote:1) it's a frigging training model. Not a fight. Know the difference.
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Whilst that is true it is not an excuse to suspend the laws of physics as they apply to a dynamic human body. I felt that the videos strayed that way once or twice. But I've been guilty of that too so don't want to be overly critical, on the whole it looked like fun work.
northern_mantis wrote:Maybe if a training model can be separated from fighting it wouldn't be beyond us to build a discussion model that creates reasonable outcomes aside from 'you have to feel it' or degenerating in to something more unpleasant?!
Dmitri wrote:Chris, thanks for posting those clips; I'm glad Dan decided to do it. I know it must've been hard (or he was drunk when he agreed? )
jaime_g wrote:trying to understand why so many grapplers and mma guys have that wtf look in the face when rolling with Dan and struggle for survive instead of just submit him.Are all of us stupid? Probably
junglist wrote:1) it's a frigging training model. Not a fight. Know the difference.
2) I'm not telling you to fight. I'm telling you to prove us wrong that what Dan does is not effective or fake, as you say. Go there, grab his wrist or play push hands, and prevent him from taking your balance. If you can do that, you have something special.
3) if you can't do the above, shut up. Your opinion is worthless.
Gus Mueller wrote:junglist wrote:1) it's a frigging training model. Not a fight. Know the difference.
I know the difference. A fight is real and the particular part of the demo I referenced, chosen by clicking at random and it's the only part I watched and the only part I'm commenting on, is obviously fake.2) I'm not telling you to fight. I'm telling you to prove us wrong that what Dan does is not effective or fake, as you say. Go there, grab his wrist or play push hands, and prevent him from taking your balance. If you can do that, you have something special.
I guarantee I could put my flat non-grabbing hand on his forearm without rising up on my tippy-toes.3) if you can't do the above, shut up. Your opinion is worthless.
That seems a trifle brusque. Did I whizz in your Wheaties?
The day Mike Sigman and I agree on something is a good day to re-examine your world-view.
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