everything wrote:What does set the shoulder mean? Keep it in its most neutral configuration?
wayne hansen wrote:If you practice Huangs two man exercise ,single arm drop there is no need to talk about it.
You can't do it any other way
Yes! I also emphasize maintaining the “divot” at the Jian Jing (肩井 shoulder well – GB21) acupuncture point.Subitai wrote:When I'm teaching a student to feel it correctly there will be a "DIVOT hole or indent" at the top of the shoulder.
Subitai wrote:ARRRGGGGHHH! I can't believe I'm going to say this but I actually don't have a problem with what Adam is saying in this video. His information is essentially correct But I do have a problem with his student allowing himself to take the Mizner dive once again for no good reason.
Anyway, he's talking about such a basic kung fu principle that it shouldn't be overlooked. BUT.....neither should it be over-glorified.
Simply put, the shoulder joint is a "Ball and Socket joint"
You relax the humerus bone and let the elbow sink. This will keep your shoulder open and a good Conduit for energy transmission and less chance of injury and blah blah blah. It is super basic and taught very early at my old kwoon.
I've written about this before on this board. When I'm teaching a student to feel it correctly there will be a "DIVOT hole or indent" at the top of the shoulder. Here is an example of how to achieve it:
http://www.kungfumagazine.com/forum/ent ... rs-Relaxed
So simple... there's probably many ways that different schools teach this. One for example would be anybody that teaches 5 bows of the body principle.
2 arms and 2 legs ... literally bent like Long Bows that have been strung... the torso / Chest is hollow and relaxed (That would be the 5th) yet the dan tien is full. Here is a classic example:
Rhen wrote:wayne hansen wrote:If you practice Huangs two man exercise ,single arm drop there is no need to talk about it.
You can't do it any other way
what does that look like? any video?
by Yugen on Fri Oct 27, 2017 9:46 am
you may be missing a subtle point Adam showed... first off to semantically disagree, you can't "relax" a bone, the muscles attached to the humerus, yes, but not the bone.
At 2:36ish if you watch carefully Adam's shoulder area appears to roll back and downward, but the deltoid area doesn't really move. That to me looks like the pull down and scapulae engagement with the torso...
I wish people would throw away the use of "Qi" .... it makes it sound magical and is better for marketing "ancient wisdom", but we we have modern ways to express all this clearly.
On Keeping the Shoulders Relaxed
October 2, 2012
Everyone in CMA says "relax the shoulder and sink the elbow"...but some don't know what to feel or how to achieve it.
Stand about arm length away from a wall and push with say one of your palms; Right palm flat against the wall for example with your fingers aligned upwards (Index finger at least shoulder height)
To train this feeling... sink your arm down and extend it slightly out of the shoulder joint. Literally feel your Humerus bone (upper arm bone) slightly pull down and away as you push on the wall. When you do this right, there will be a small divot or crater at the top of your shoulder. You could pour water into it and it would stay there. haha.
You can maintain this push for a long time if your structure is correct.
Body memory is easy to train,
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wayne hansen wrote:I don't see the guy diving for Adam
Adam has an advantage by sitting down and has the guy set up where it is easy to make him loose his centre
Adam just exploits it
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