the rum soaked fist: internal martial arts forum

nicklinjm wrote:Ed, there isn't a one-to-one correspondence, but if you look at 64 hands set there are many many similarities in technique and flavour/shenfa to Yue Jia Sanshou, to me it is pretty obvious that the 64 hands came from Yue style sanshou (and not Liuhe Men). Obviously just my .02 cents, YMMV, etc.

I've trained Liu He Men from Liu De Kuan's lineage. I've also learnt the 64 palms via Liu Jing Ru. I'd agree with this statement. There's a few moves in the set that have a Liu He Men influence, but it seems to have more in common from what I've seen of Yue style. That said the Liu He Men lineage via Liu De Kuan is a little different from orthodox Liu He Quan as well. I've seen a couple of sets in our system that seem to be heavily based on eagle claw.

Thanks for the perspective, zrm. The video of Yue shi bafanshou does look of a similar flavor to the 64 hands - perhaps Liu used that as a foundation to develop the linear bagua sets.