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Chen Bing fajin

Postby 2good2b4gotten on Mon Feb 26, 2018 3:33 am

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Re: Chen Bing fajin

Postby Ron Panunto on Mon Feb 26, 2018 9:18 am

That Chen second routine is a great aerobic workout.
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Re: Chen Bing fajin

Postby Fa Xing on Mon Feb 26, 2018 4:28 pm

Nice forms work, but I was hoping it would be a demo of fa jin into a pad or person. Unfortunately, I am disappointed again in what people actually consider real fajin.
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Re: Chen Bing fajin

Postby middleway on Tue Feb 27, 2018 1:06 am

but I was hoping it would be a demo of fa jin into a pad or person.


I have never even seen a demonstration of Chen Style Fa Jin into a pad or person. It is quite a strange situation.

On the video are the feet supposed to slide around like that when expressing force, not doing chen style i have no idea if that is an error or correct. For me it is an error, but again, i dont do chen style.

Thanks in advance.
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Re: Chen Bing fajin

Postby Bao on Tue Feb 27, 2018 2:28 am

middleway wrote:On the video are the feet supposed to slide around like that when expressing force, not doing chen style i have no idea if that is an error or correct. For me it is an error, but again, i dont do chen style.


My thought exactly, though I have seen this many times in different Chen stylists performances. A broad stance doesn't mean that you are rooted. If the feet are not rooted, the whole body will bounce away from the target upon impact. It might look impressive, but it will have little use as it lacks the body support needed for penetrative, damaging force. Let us just say that maybe he focus more on "shaking" than stability for demonstrations purpose? :P
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Re: Chen Bing fajin

Postby Ron Panunto on Tue Feb 27, 2018 10:01 am

He is doing the form on a basketball type of surface with shoes that apparently don't grip, so I think he is just sliding across the floor from the momentum of the fajin.
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Re: Chen Bing fajin

Postby windwalker on Tue Feb 27, 2018 11:35 pm

Haven't found any clips of fajin being used live in a free form setting..
One would think that those that advocate it would be able to express it
in any setting....

Note: the clip is for illustration only not a comment on the teachers or skill.


"Chen TaiChi master Chen Xiao Wang doing push hand with XingYi Ba Qua master Liao Bai from Taiwan."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_aYtgIkJ5UE

As some have noted there seems to be a store release cycle that in reality
one may not have the time to complete or be denied the opportunity to do so in the examples that most
usually show, when asked about fa-jin.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTgXaxd1FtE
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Re: Chen Bing fajin

Postby willie on Wed Feb 28, 2018 1:01 am

windwalker wrote:Haven't found any clips of fajin being used live in a free form setting..
One would think that those that advocate it would be able to express it
in any setting....

I can use it pretty much whenever I want, so can my teacher and so can his teacher and his teacher.
What you are usually seeing when somebody does fajin, is what would be considered a dry fire. because there is no Arrow or load on the bow, the bow vibrates much more. In actual use much of that vibration is not visible because of the load.
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Re: Chen Bing fajin

Postby Trick on Wed Feb 28, 2018 2:48 am

Ron Panunto wrote:He is doing the form on a basketball type of surface with shoes that apparently don't grip, so I think he is just sliding across the floor from the momentum of the fajin.

Probably being too eager to show off, lost his sense of listening
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Re: Chen Bing fajin

Postby Trick on Wed Feb 28, 2018 2:57 am

Trick wrote:
Ron Panunto wrote:He is doing the form on a basketball type of surface with shoes that apparently don't grip, so I think he is just sliding across the floor from the momentum of the fajin.

Probably being too eager to show off, lost his sense of listening

One of my main Karate teachers and good friend told me that when he was a teenager and studied karate back in Malaysia they sometimes practiced on big steel ship plates that their teacher had poured oil on, very slippery he said
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Re: Chen Bing fajin

Postby wayne hansen on Wed Feb 28, 2018 3:10 am

Sounds like the Budokan guys
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Re: Chen Bing fajin

Postby Ozguorui on Wed Feb 28, 2018 3:52 am

When I lived in Tokyo, we worked just down the road from the Budokan. Could never walk past it without thinking "Ozzy Osbourne"
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