TAI CHI MASTER VS MMA FIGHTER ! AGAIN !!

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Re: TAI CHI MASTER VS MMA FIGHTER ! AGAIN !!

Postby marvin8 on Thu May 24, 2018 8:57 am

Trick wrote:Is that a brush knee twist step from the shorts guy....he might have cross trained in Taiji

Yu (MMA guy) does brush knee (not exclusive), is more relaxed/calm (wu wei) in aggressive environment, balanced, aligned, ability to change (after punch moves and changes angle/center), more whole body power, leads (gets opponent turning and finishes) and uses opponent’s force (Zhu chases and walks into punch).

Zhu (tai chi guy) fails to control at point of contact, keep his balance (holds on rope), etc.
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Re: TAI CHI MASTER VS MMA FIGHTER ! AGAIN !!

Postby Rhen on Thu May 24, 2018 10:52 am

I'm pretty sure if Adam Mizner or Liang Dehua stepped in the ring, there ass would get ran over like that. Team woo-woo be gone.
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Re: TAI CHI MASTER VS MMA FIGHTER ! AGAIN !!

Postby wayne hansen on Thu May 24, 2018 11:27 am

The only thing I think about these guy is that none of us has heard of them before the fight
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Re: TAI CHI MASTER VS MMA FIGHTER ! AGAIN !!

Postby Trick on Thu May 24, 2018 11:34 am

Rhen wrote:I'm pretty sure if Adam Mizner or Liang Dehua stepped in the ring, there ass would get ran over like that. Team woo-woo be gone.

Well I guess any Taiji guy are free to challenge some MMA champ...
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Re: TAI CHI MASTER VS MMA FIGHTER ! AGAIN !!

Postby wayne hansen on Thu May 24, 2018 11:50 am

Looking on his site he is just some young guy from the Chen village
All the guys I have seen in the Chen competition at least know how to shape up
They all seem to have some grappling skills,he did not
Where are all the Chen people talking on this
Is he known to them
You would imagine if someone from the Chen village were to fight in this format they would be a family member or a champion of their competition
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Re: TAI CHI MASTER VS MMA FIGHTER ! AGAIN !!

Postby Steve James on Thu May 24, 2018 2:10 pm

Yeah, the ones who say that their tcc is the best should be the ones defending the style's honor.

Afa these matches in general, I'd be suspicious of anyone who enters this sort of competition wearing silks. But, frankly, I think it'd be far more instructive to watch how the guys in the silks practice for this kind of bout.
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Re: TAI CHI MASTER VS MMA FIGHTER ! AGAIN !!

Postby oragami_itto on Thu May 24, 2018 3:28 pm

You don't want your international style challenge match to be the first time you get punched in the face.
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Re: TAI CHI MASTER VS MMA FIGHTER ! AGAIN !!

Postby C.J.W. on Thu May 24, 2018 3:49 pm

Same old same old.

What I find more disturbing than watching yet another spectacular TCMA fail is this Taiji guy actually had enough delusional sense of confidence in his fighting skill that he would dare step into the ring and face a kickboxer half his age.

(Just for the record, I think it's perfectly fine to practice TCMA or IMA simply for recreational and health-promoting purposes as opposed to combat, but one should have the good sense to be able to distinguish between the two and know which path you have been on....).
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Re: TAI CHI MASTER VS MMA FIGHTER ! AGAIN !!

Postby Steve James on Thu May 24, 2018 7:06 pm

oragami_itto wrote:You don't want your international style challenge match to be the first time you get punched in the face.


It would make a lot of sense.
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Re: TAI CHI MASTER VS MMA FIGHTER ! AGAIN !!

Postby marvin8 on Thu May 24, 2018 10:01 pm

wayne hansen wrote:Looking on his site he is just some young guy from the Chen village
All the guys I have seen in the Chen competition at least know how to shape up
They all seem to have some grappling skills,he did not
Where are all the Chen people talking on this
Is he known to them
You would imagine if someone from the Chen village were to fight in this format they would be a family member or a champion of their competition

Not sure if he is connected to that website.

Excerpt from "Chinese Tai Chi descendants claim to be the second to kill the opponent's result and be beaten for 1 second...", http://news.ltn.com.tw/news/world/breakingnews/2433624:
Liberty Times Net on 2018-05-22 wrote:Known as the Chinese Wudang Tai Chi descendant, Zhu Chunping (Left, White), the legend has a spike-like fighting combat abilities. He was beaten by amateur sportsman Yu Shengsheng.

In a comprehensive media report, Zhu Chunping studied Yang's Taijiquan and Chen's Taijiquan in his early years. Later, he learned Wudang Sanfeng Taijiquan and Mi tongquan. He is quite familiar with domestic Chinese boxing and possesses spike-like combat abilities.

As for the survival of Yu, it is just one year of practice fighting, and this is his first actual combat. . . .

Clearer picture of Zhu.

From http://news.stnn.cc/sport/2018/0522/548947.shtml:
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Published on May 21, 2018:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQ4_l020M40

Excerpt from "Cao Xuan "martial arts electric shock" Chu was beaten 1 martial artist MMA fainted," https://www.24h.com.vn/the-thao/ngo-nga ... 62245.html
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Zhu doing empty force.

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Published on May 24, 2018

Chinese master 'power transmission' students were defeated MMA players in 20 seconds. See more hot clips http://motthegioi.vn/the-gioi-mang-c-85:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKDOcr1JMXE
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Re: TAI CHI MASTER VS MMA FIGHTER ! AGAIN !!

Postby Trick on Thu May 24, 2018 11:02 pm

marvin8 wrote:
wayne hansen wrote:Looking on his site he is just some young guy from the Chen village
All the guys I have seen in the Chen competition at least know how to shape up
They all seem to have some grappling skills,he did not
Where are all the Chen people talking on this
Is he known to them
You would imagine if someone from the Chen village were to fight in this format they would be a family member or a champion of their competition

Not sure if he is connected to that website.

Excerpt from "Chinese Tai Chi descendants claim to be the second to kill the opponent's result and be beaten for 1 second...", http://news.ltn.com.tw/news/world/breakingnews/2433624:
Liberty Times Net on 2018-05-22 wrote:Known as the Chinese Wudang Tai Chi descendant, Zhu Chunping (Left, White), the legend has a spike-like fighting combat abilities. He was beaten by amateur sportsman Yu Shengsheng.

In a comprehensive media report, Zhu Chunping studied Yang's Taijiquan and Chen's Taijiquan in his early years. Later, he learned Wudang Sanfeng Taijiquan and Mi tongquan. He is quite familiar with domestic Chinese boxing and possesses spike-like combat abilities.

As for the survival of Yu, it is just one year of practice fighting, and this is his first actual combat. . . .

Clearer picture of Zhu.

From http://news.stnn.cc/sport/2018/0522/548947.shtml:
Image

Longer, larger, different view of video.

Tiger Tiger
Published on May 21, 2018:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQ4_l020M40

Excerpt from "Cao Xuan "martial arts electric shock" Chu was beaten 1 martial artist MMA fainted," https://www.24h.com.vn/the-thao/ngo-nga ... 62245.html
Image

Zhu doing empty force.

Duong Pham
Published on May 24, 2018

Chinese master 'power transmission' students were defeated MMA players in 20 seconds. See more hot clips http://motthegioi.vn/the-gioi-mang-c-85:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKDOcr1JMXE

My mistake to link to that Shanghai chentaiji page, but as it seem he dabbled little in Chen-Taiji, but yes if he where affiliated with the chenjiagou clan I'm sure they would not have send him up for a bout like this, they probably have their own gloved-sparring experienced guys.....Not sure he is affiliated with any "legit" Wudang MA's school either since they seem to also practice Sanda nowadays too.......He's probably a home brew of a little of this and that style of Taiji
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Re: TAI CHI MASTER VS MMA FIGHTER ! AGAIN !!

Postby wiesiek on Fri May 25, 2018 12:02 am

Aaaaaaaaaaaa,
master of empty power and everything is obviously clear.... :-\

anyway,
I found it extremely strange, that somebody coming out on the ring w/o proper conditioning -shrug-
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Re: TAI CHI MASTER VS MMA FIGHTER ! AGAIN !!

Postby windwalker on Fri May 25, 2018 1:08 am

wiesiek wrote:Aaaaaaaaaaaa,
master of empty power and everything is obviously clear.... :-\

whats obviously clear

anyway,
I found it extremely strange, that somebody coming out on the ring w/o proper conditioning -shrug-


If one looks at all clips similar in nature it seems like a training issue and a basic
lack of understanding of ones own practice. This experience might prompt him to question
his practice and current level of understanding.

thoughts on the this clip? is it obviously clear

I am not suggesting they are the same but do show a type of reaction
explained in different ways....How useful it is depends on ones practice.

Listen to the descriptions used in the narration " he will tense up if he feels something"
a question might be, what is it he feels, why does this cause his body to tense up...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mf2ua6PGdk
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Re: TAI CHI MASTER VS MMA FIGHTER ! AGAIN !!

Postby Trick on Fri May 25, 2018 2:20 am

windwalker wrote:
wiesiek wrote:Aaaaaaaaaaaa,
master of empty power and everything is obviously clear.... :-\

whats obviously clear

anyway,
I found it extremely strange, that somebody coming out on the ring w/o proper conditioning -shrug-


If one looks at all clips similar in nature it seems like a training issue and a basic
lack of understanding of ones own practice.
explained in different ways....How useful it is depends on ones practice.

Is there anyone of such "power/force" that have come out standing tall from a bout such as the one in this thread topic?....And also, even if such a "force" is indeed real why publicly demonstrate it to an audience that they know never really will believe it?
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Re: TAI CHI MASTER VS MMA FIGHTER ! AGAIN !!

Postby RobP3 on Fri May 25, 2018 2:47 am

windwalker wrote:
I am not suggesting they are the same but do show a type of reaction
explained in different ways....How useful it is depends on ones practice.

Listen to the descriptions used in the narration " he will tense up if he feels something"
a question might be, what is it he feels, why does this cause his body to tense up...



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