It's pretty obvious that CZQ was outclassed in this case. Chances are he's had little experience dealing with a proper neck clinch applied by someone who doesn't "play nice" and take a dive out of respect and courtesy as commonly seen in TMA demos. While I personally wouldn't do what Mr. Miller had done to a teacher at a public seminar, I still think what happened that day was a good reality check for Chen.
He was good at free fighting. One day he was challenged by a strong martial artist. When the challenger grasped his wrist and would not let him escape, Yang, Ban-hou used his jin to bounce the challenger away and defeat him. He was so proud that he went home and told his father. Instead of praise, his father laughed at him because his sleeve was torn. https://legacy.ymaa.com/articles/histor ... -taijiquan
windwalker wrote:I look at it a little differently.
Being a rep of a family style actually coming from his family.
Win lose or draw...how he does it is very important.
people can understand a loss to a superior opponent.
What is not clear is why with all the training and experience his reactions were not that much different from someone untrained.
In fact his training may have been the problem preventing what might be called a natural reaction...
He did not use the often mentioned and demoed "fa-jin" nor any other type of "jin" penetrating energy.
Can anyone point to some signature Chen style movement?
even in winning its not the winning that is noted
C.J.W. wrote:I also feel compelled to say that the best Chen stylists I've seen are actually the ones from outside the village lineages -- and unassociated with the 4 big-names.
Trick wrote:C.J.W. wrote:I also feel compelled to say that the best Chen stylists I've seen are actually the ones from outside the village lineages -- and unassociated with the 4 big-names.
I’m not feel “attacked” or something but must ask , best in what ?.....I can understand as village sounds as village as in somewhat isolated they not had that broader opportunity to compare skills with others as the Beijingers had.
Bao wrote:Trick wrote:C.J.W. wrote:I also feel compelled to say that the best Chen stylists I've seen are actually the ones from outside the village lineages -- and unassociated with the 4 big-names.
I’m not feel “attacked” or something but must ask , best in what ?.....I can understand as village sounds as village as in somewhat isolated they not had that broader opportunity to compare skills with others as the Beijingers had.
The group that this was posted in is a Chen Zhaokui (and Chen Yu) group that believe that in the village you get to practice forms and wrestling and that the original, good, useful stuff is to be found outside the Village as in Beijing.
dspyrido wrote:What happened to czq? He didn't have a good method to get out. Simple. Why? Idk maybe he is just not used to someone that big grabbing his head. I've met many TC guys who fall into this category.
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