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Hotton (Karate): Internal connection, Leading with intention

Postby marvin8 on Sun Sep 16, 2018 3:21 am

Shotokan Karate
Published on Sep 9, 2018

hotton sensei teaching connecting points in reverse punch:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSvzIuwpddk

Shotokan Karate
Published on Nov 23, 2017

rick hotton sensei teaching intention drive technique in St. Louis MO, and Toronto Canada.
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Re: Hotton (Karate): Internal connection, Leading with intention

Postby wayne hansen on Sun Sep 16, 2018 5:06 am

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Re: Hotton (Karate): Internal connection, Leading with intention

Postby Trick on Tue Sep 18, 2018 12:35 am

can’t se the OP vid but found this guy on the Chinese tubes. He’s got a very nice Shotokan way, spiced with his”own?” Interpretations. In one vid he’s doing some techniques that is found in Taiji Kase’s Version of Shotokan but his stances still follow the “traditional” way, otherwise he seem to be an JKA practitioner.......Seeing Videos of Shotokan I almost feel an itch of inspiration to put on the Gi again, maybe I’ll do if I move back to Sweden.....What I notice now in the fight competition vid I’ve watched there is an allowance for a brief moment of “clinching” to attempt an throw....
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Re: Hotton (Karate): Internal connection, Leading with intention

Postby Trick on Tue Sep 18, 2018 1:15 am

Here’s another top name in the Shotokan/Karate world Frank Brennan. The explosiveness and timing of those top players is amazing.. https://v.youku.com/pad_show/id_XNjAzMD ... 7257931319 Another Shotokan Explosion/storm https://v.youku.com/pad_show/id_XNzE5Nz ... an%2Bstorm
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Re: Hotton (Karate): Internal connection, Leading with intention

Postby RobP3 on Tue Sep 18, 2018 7:38 am

Trick wrote:can’t se the OP vid but found this guy on the Chinese tubes. He’s got a very nice Shotokan way, spiced with his”own?” Interpretations. ...


In the second clip on the OP he mentions the Systema methods he has trained in. As he is based in Toronto I'm guessing he has trained at Vasiliev's and is adding in Systema concepts to his Shotokan. Interesting to see, as I went through a similar experience
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Re: Hotton (Karate): Internal connection, Leading with intention

Postby middleway on Wed Sep 19, 2018 7:37 am

I see some similar cues in his movement to Steve Morris. Some concepts in there that i am familiar with from Aiki arts & IMAs.

In this video he mentions Ba Gua.




I wonder if his body work is build from his own methods or pulled in from Systema as Rob Says. Regardless he looks like he has good force and is clear with his teaching so ultimately it doesnt matter.
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Re: Hotton (Karate): Internal connection, Leading with intention

Postby Interloper on Sat Sep 22, 2018 7:54 pm

RE: the videos in the OP... He's a good teacher! And, he's got a really nice, solid external structure and movement, and great maintaining of alignment. It's not internal in the sense of "internal martial arts," however, as he is using conventional bracing and musculature tensing to maintain structure, and propelling himself by large outer muscle groups. Also, his use of intent is different than that of an internal methodology's interpretation, which is to spark and drive the initiation of the specific musculature and dynamic-tension processes that generate internal power. The karate-ka uses intent to focus and draw his attention to a specific direction and extension of movement, and to draw his body in that direction. Perfectly valid, an useful in the context it is being applied, but not "internal." Still external Shotokan.
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Re: Hotton (Karate): Internal connection, Leading with intention

Postby wayne hansen on Mon Sep 24, 2018 12:36 am

More internal than most that make that claim
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Re: Hotton (Karate): Internal connection, Leading with intention

Postby Trick on Mon Sep 24, 2018 2:07 am

Interloper wrote:RE: the videos in the OP... He's a good teacher! And, he's got a really nice, solid external structure and movement, and great maintaining of alignment. It's not internal in the sense of "internal martial arts," however, as he is using conventional bracing and musculature tensing to maintain structure, and propelling himself by large outer muscle groups. Also, his use of intent is different than that of an internal methodology's interpretation, which is to spark and drive the initiation of the specific musculature and dynamic-tension processes that generate internal power. The karate-ka uses intent to focus and draw his attention to a specific direction and extension of movement, and to draw his body in that direction. Perfectly valid, an useful in the context it is being applied, but not "internal." Still external Shotokan.

While I agree that for example the “six harmonies” is not(obviously)taught in Shotokan Karate, at least I was not taught such and similar during my years in that style. But for sure after long and dedicated practice the “external” structure deepens one could almost say internalizes.....Now after almost 30 years of(lazily) Taijiquan and Xingyiquan practice i still now and then re-examine the exercises of Shotokan but with ideas from for example XYQ and Tongbeiquan. Maybe it’s just somehow my wishful thinking but I see them there in Karate the internal aspects. And in what use to be the most basic exercise of the forerunner style of Shotokan, Shorin-Ryu but comes later in Shotokan it’s even more obvious, that exercise have a very profound effect on making the body centered and connected from ground and up, too bad/sadly that exercise is often neglected nowadays.....But I would believe Hotton in the OP vid knows it well.
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Re: Hotton (Karate): Internal connection, Leading with intention

Postby Bao on Mon Sep 24, 2018 2:54 am

While I agree that for example the “six harmonies” is not(obviously)taught in Shotokan Karate, at least I was not taught such and similar during my years in that style. But for sure after long and dedicated practice the “external” structure deepens one could almost say internalizes.....Now after almost 30 years of(lazily) Taijiquan and Xingyiquan practice i still now and then re-examine the exercises of Shotokan but with ideas from for example XYQ and Tongbeiquan. Maybe it’s just somehow my wishful thinking but I see them there in Karate the internal aspects.


The six connections in IMA means connecting and bridging the internal to the external. The external connections only does not make anything internal. Qi needs to be there guided by yi and expressed through jin. The three external connections is what bridges the internal and the jin, but in the internal arts, jin is not the expression of the external. Jin is the external expression of the internal.

What I can see in the Karate vid is good body coordination and good use of the body, but it's something created by external connection. Nothing wrong with that. Btw, I like this guy, he is good. 8-)
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Re: Hotton (Karate): Internal connection, Leading with intention

Postby marvin8 on Mon Sep 24, 2018 1:22 pm

Bao wrote:
While I agree that for example the “six harmonies” is not(obviously)taught in Shotokan Karate, at least I was not taught such and similar during my years in that style. But for sure after long and dedicated practice the “external” structure deepens one could almost say internalizes.....Now after almost 30 years of(lazily) Taijiquan and Xingyiquan practice i still now and then re-examine the exercises of Shotokan but with ideas from for example XYQ and Tongbeiquan. Maybe it’s just somehow my wishful thinking but I see them there in Karate the internal aspects.


The six connections in IMA means connecting and bridging the internal to the external. The external connections only does not make anything internal. Qi needs to be there guided by yi and expressed through jin. The three external connections is what bridges the internal and the jin, but in the internal arts, jin is not the expression of the external. Jin is the external expression of the internal.

What I can see in the Karate vid is good body coordination and good use of the body, but it's something created by external connection. Nothing wrong with that. Btw, I like this guy, he is good. 8-)

Karate has their way of developing internal Ki:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXySSGkbqG0
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Re: Hotton (Karate): Internal connection, Leading with intention

Postby windwalker on Mon Sep 24, 2018 7:31 pm

Bao wrote:The six connections in IMA means connecting and bridging the internal to the external. The external connections only does not make anything internal.
a point of contention, not for this thread

Qi needs to be there guided by yi and expressed through jin. The three external connections is what bridges the internal and the jin, but in the internal arts, jin is not the expression of the external. Jin is the external expression of the internal. qi, yi yet to be defined. Jin, at most it can be said to be an expression of type of force.

What distinction do you use to determine if the "jin" is internal or not.


What I can see in the Karate vid is good body coordination and good use of the body, but it's something created by external connection. Nothing wrong with that. Btw, I like this guy, he is good. 8-)


It is said from "external to internal, from internal to external"

What is said to be internal is always there.
Until certain alignments and understanding of them are developed
there can be no expression or usage of it directly as with arts or high level masters
who either depend on it or say they use it, indirectly aspects of can be seen in use
even by those who don't have this concept in mind while doing so.

It might be more productive to speak of "intent"
what is meant to lead with it, is it being shown by the teacher in the demo.

This treacher seems to confused as to his own art
and appears to be using aspects of other arts to make up for it.

Kime a word some might not be familiar with here describes what he is doing.

It is the ability to rapidly dump power into the target which is ‘kime’.”

Or how about:

the point is you accelerate into the target and you kime focuses the energy inside [the target] rather than through. Very difficult to explain in words […]”

Or:


http://www.karatebyjesse.com/kime-putti ... he-coffin/
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Re: Hotton (Karate): Internal connection, Leading with intention

Postby windwalker on Mon Sep 24, 2018 8:05 pm

marvin8 wrote:Karate has their way of developing internal Ki:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXySSGkbqG0


In CMA qi or anything that is said to be using it, derives from
TCM theory, about what it is, and how it functions.

What is described in the clip seems different then what some of the older masters describe.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fiMKm2axkU

9:52"My skin catches his mind"

towards the end he talks about what some might call external and internal harmonies
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Re: Hotton (Karate): Internal connection, Leading with intention

Postby Interloper on Mon Sep 24, 2018 8:10 pm

Bao wrote:The six connections in IMA means connecting and bridging the internal to the external. The external connections only does not make anything internal. Qi needs to be there guided by yi and expressed through jin. The three external connections is what bridges the internal and the jin, but in the internal arts, jin is not the expression of the external. Jin is the external expression of the internal.

What I can see in the Karate vid is good body coordination and good use of the body, but it's something created by external connection. Nothing wrong with that. Btw, I like this guy, he is good. 8-)


Agreed. And I like him, too.
A lot of times, the same terms (e.g. "intent," "In and Yo/Yin and Yang," "structure," etc.) are used in both internal and external arts, but mean inherently different things as they are coming from two different methods and ways of moving the body, as well as stragetically.

Likewise, in external arts there is often a belief that with time and refinement, a practitioner becomes "more internal," but that isn't what's happening. What they are really expressing, is that with increasing expertise, he makes his movements smaller, more efficient, more expert... but, it's still external method. The internal stylist is doing the same thing... but with his internal processes. They are using two very different sets of processes just the same -- the external person using more refined external movement; the internal person using more refined internal movement. :)
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Re: Hotton (Karate): Internal connection, Leading with intention

Postby windwalker on Mon Sep 24, 2018 8:19 pm

Interloper wrote:
They are using two very different sets of processes just the same -- the external person using more refined external movement; the internal person using more refined internal movement. :)


Interesting

internal or external ?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9deW2aZlww
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